You think it's about prayer? You think there's no connection between a Christian family praying and their less fortunate brothers and sisters starving?
Oh...I've met people like that before...switch sides when they see that the other team is winning...
But ... (he said, thinking deeply and pausing slightly for effect) ... how does God know who won if she isn't keeping score?
A statement of fact must be true...if it is not true to say "it is raining" then it is not a fact that it is raining...the fact has not become false, it just is not a fact...but the fact itself is just a fact... a fact cannot possibly be false, therefore it makes no sense to speak of the fact...
The fact that it is raining is just a fact - it makes no sense to speak of a fact being true (or false) - it just is
But if I make the statement "it is raining" the statement may be true (or false)...it only makes sense to speak of truth in regard to statements.
So if we say "it is a fact that...
I think these are getting close to how I see it...
A fact just is, regardless of whether it is recognized or not, whereas truth is a quality of statements...I think.
I said that but was it in this thread? Anyway, like it or not, you are a fish and an ape...and why not bacteria...my several billion times great grandfather was a bacterium...
...and we most certainly are at least partly bacteria to this day...latest estimates about 38 trillion of them inhabit...
All that makes sense to me...
...unless we ARE the interface for understanding it???!!! (He said in a wild speculative tone).
I think (I actually do think sometimes) its because to get the universe, or even the weather for that matter, with great precision requires that we know the initial...
What you did was post an argument in a debate forum...I rejected your argument because - for the reasons I have clearly detailed previously, your argument does not (in my opinion) meet the requirements of sound logical argumentation...I did not present any "preconceived biases" I presented...
It matters if matter is all there is, matter is not only what matters but what matter does and all that matters is matter and that matters whether we think it matters or not - as far as it matters in this matter, that's the end of the matter. :confounded::emojconfused::)
Well OK but that's not what "deterministic" means in the context of a discussion about free will - in that context, in the context of a scientific objective realist materialist view of the universe, the future trajectory of all events in the universe is fully determined by its past - there is...
I'm not sure it would entirely, because the ability or inability to determine the brain's (or the atoms therein) future would in some measure partially determine that future - if you see what I mean.
If it is truly deterministic then free will is an illusion - what I'm still trying to grapple...
OK lets get this out of the way first...
You have now twice accused me of not "reading to understand" but to "argue" or "fight"...and you also said:
And in all of that you have not made any attempt to show logically where any of my statements have been wrong or made any attempt to defend your...
Apart from not knowing the histories of all those atoms and the impossibility of untangling the inextricable web of interconnections between the something like 10^26 atoms that make up the human brain, I suppose in principle we could. I guess what I am saying is that is the universe might be...
That article goes all over the place to be honest...but I wasn't meaning to appeal to quantum theory in defense of free will, but rather to suggest that since there is unquestionably an element of probabilistic indeterminacy at the smallest levels of reality (as we currently understand it)...