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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    "Can we say that Paul the Apostle had sinful flesh? Of course. Would we say that possessing sinful flesh was a defect? Again, yes–after all, sinful flesh is not a good and holy thing. If that is the case then if Jesus’ flesh was “sinful,” then he would have possessed a defect (unless you want to...
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    If Paul's flesh is sinful flesh as the JW's confess and Jesus partook of the same flesh it means Jesus shared the same sinful flesh as Paul. And when it says "the word became flesh" it means the word became sinful flesh. And when John says that anyone who does not confess that Jesus had come...
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    I'm posting the following from the JW website: "Can we say that Paul the Apostle had sinful flesh? Of course. Would we say that possessing sinful flesh was a defect? Again, yes–after all, sinful flesh is not a good and holy thing. If that is the case then if Jesus’ flesh was “sinful,” then he...
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    What then does it mean he was "son of man". And if "son of God' how is he "son of Abraham". What does it mean Jesus was the seed/son of Abraham? Doesn't that mean that he descended from Abraham? Wouldn't a son of Abraham have the same nature as Abraham? Heb 2:16 For surely he is not...
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    The Scripture tells us that the seed she bore was the seed of Abraham and David. That's way Jesus is a son of Abraham and David. He was also said to be the seed of the women in Genesis. That tells me that Jesus was of the same nature as Abraham and David and his mother Mary and also of Adam. I...
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    You're saying that Jesus did not come from Adam? Didn't everyone come from Adam? Being a son of Abraham and David sure sounds as if he came from Adam unless Abraham and David didn't come from Adam either. So where did those THINGS come from. I call them THINGS because we don't know what they...
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    if you can't see the logical flaws in your claims that's not my problem. If you read the previous posts in this thread you might see your flaws. As they are exposed there. But I've had many, many discussions with members of religious sects who will simply refuse to accept logical reasoning and...
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    Since you refuse to tell us the relevance of your question as it relates to the topic I don't know what's your point. The topic is simply whether or not Jesus' genealogy traces back to Adam. That's it! If Jesus came after Adam then Jesus is of the same nature as all others who came after Adam...
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    All I'm asking you is if Jesus was a man who came from the first man. That is the topic of the discussion.
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    Is Jesus a son of Abraham? of course he is. Where did Abraham come from? Did Abraham have a father?
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    When you tell me that Adam is not the first father of Jesus. And therefore Jesus' genealogy is wrong.
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    Are you laughing because Jesus' genealogy is wrong?
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    Oh, BTW, there was another discussion board to kick me out when I showed them Jesus' genealogy. They didn't like the idea either that Jesus' first father was Adam. So they gave me the boot. They were another group, like the JW's who claimed the Bible to be true. i guess as long as it fits their...
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    I suppose the genealogy of Jesus which traces his first father as Adam is wrong according to the JW here. Jesus is son of man but not son of Adam? okie dokie
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    You agree with what? You agree Jesus is a son of Adam or not?
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    The discussion was on the nature of Jesus and what it means to be son of man. A JW here said that son of man does not mean son of adam (the first man) because all sons of man(adam) have a sinful nature. She said neither Jesus or Adam had a sinful nature. I disagreed. Son of adam simply means...
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    The JW's claim Jesus was not son of Adam.

    It took a son of man to accomplish what he accomplished. Look at John 5:27 Joh 5:27 And he has granted him authority to carry out judgment, because he is the Son of Man. The definite article is not in the original. The judgment Jesus is to execute are alluded to in Daniel: "And he said...
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    Resurrection and Duplication

    The RCC has always claimed that everyone has an immortal soul. That soul is said to leave the body when the body dies. They say that this immortal soul is conscious and is either in the presence of God or in some other place, purgatory perhaps. The soul being immortal is said to be incorrutible...
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    Resurrection and Duplication

    The problem I have with the soul/spirit being united with a body is that the soul/spirit is referred to as the real person. If that be true, then the real person never dies and therefore is immortal. And therefore the definition of 'dead' has to mean something like "separation from God". So...
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    Resurrection and Duplication

    Moses is another good example for us. Moses is said to have died and been buried. However, he appeared in glory at the time when Jesus was seen in the glory he would have after he was raised from the dead and come in his kingdom. Moses was heard speaking to Jesus about what Jesus had to...
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