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Colossians 1:15-17
15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; 16 because by means of him all other things were created in the heavens and on the earth, the things visible and the things invisible, whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or...
i dont know of any scripture that indicates that angels had any part in the creative works . Jesus how ever was a major player in making thing happen . his God said do this or that, then by Gods command it was done. there would be no freelance work .
a man ?? no .
as for leadership. there could be a form of organization perhaps called a government ,it being guided , directed . any standing against go quietly into the night, could call it the second death.
time will tell
to ''see'' can mean to understand . to come in the clouds means not visible to the eye.you may of noticed you cant see through clouds ,yet you may know something is there
''Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven '' refers to the kingdom goverment taking over to govern the earth. its not going to be a structure somewhere on earth
''Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven '' refers to the kingdom goverment taking over to govern the earth. its not going to be a structure somewhere on earth
there are things we don't know .was the wood squared off or was it round like that of a tree.how tall when it was when stood . what about the nails ,made of iron ? how long the nails?how did the nails get removed ?
one thing I do know is that people don't like it when ya tell them Jesus was...
the issue is how was it stood up ,,how was he taken down? church's would tell you ladders were used to reach the nails . maybe six ladders ?sounds silly ,one ladder would be even more silly