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  1. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    Please re-read exactly what I have written. I purposely highlighted certain words so you wouldn't misrepresent them and create your straw man argument. The point of the above comments should, for most people, mean that it is hypocritical to promote a "religious dogma preaching peace, morality...
  2. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    The justification of violence committed in the name of an imaginary entity, is far worse than any violence committed in the name of secular, political, or social ideologies. It is NOT the nature of the violence itself, or who has committed more than the other. It is the rationale behind them...
  3. Truly Enlightened

    My fantasy of God's heaven.

    Well at least you called it your fantasy.
  4. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    I appreciate your words and opinions. But I think we are both straying a bit off topic. I was hoping for a dialogue discussing the merits of sending kids off to religious camps, catechisms, mosques, temples, cult farms, Sunday schools, Bible schools, or fundamentalist sect groups. Or, maybe the...
  5. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    If grown adults want to believe that their objectively incorrect faith-based beliefs, will ensure them eternal life, or 72 Virgins in paradise, then their rights are protected. But, as the topic suggests, we are talking about passing on those objectively untrue beliefs to our children. They have...
  6. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    Either you enjoy peddling lies and half-truths, or you are completely ignorant of the truth. Every person on the planet is materialistic to some extent, or they would die from a lack of basic materials(food, water, shelter, clothing, air, and the money to acquire them). No one can survive only...
  7. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    Could you be more specific, as to WHAT is not true? And, why it is not true? What specifically is the "...reality of the spiritual.". Finally, how do you know it was God that came to you, and not any of the other 8 - 10,000 other Deities that have been worshipped on this planet? Was it an...
  8. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    I am very aware of the meaning of the word "falsify"(the word you actually used), and the other word "falsifiability", the word you smuggled in to create your straw man. Both words have slightly different meaning. The first is a verb that means to alter information about a statement or idea, to...
  9. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    From the prior sentence, "Having more followers willing to be motivated/led would provide a united force to invade other lands and take their resources", gives a clue that the force is the group of followers that was willing to be manipulated. Why would I ever be in a position to falsify my...
  10. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    Can you give me an example of these uncertainties in the world, that we really can't understand. My faith in human rationality, is supported by the fact that we are not extinct. My statement was that Atheism does not believe that a God exists, because there is no evidence to suggest that a God...
  11. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    I certainly agree that our brain represents our objective reality, only as its best-guess interpretation. Our sense organ receptors are imperfect biophysical mechanisms, that are directly connected to an imperfect physical environment. The transmission of neural signals is not perfect. The...
  12. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    The Greek philosophers believed in God(s) because of their ignorance and flawed reasoning. But they did not have the knowledge that we have today. So at least, they had a legitimate excuse for believing in God(s). We have no legitimate excuse today, to justify a belief in God(s). Speaking about...
  13. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    At what specific point in my progressive rant, did I infer, insinuate, or state that I hate "all things Christian? Where do I equate Progressivism to any religious belief? Please do not mischaracterize me personally, or take my words out of context. Clearly we have a different meaning of the...
  14. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    I certainly agree that all discussions should be carried out in good faith, respect, and honest sincerity. I am truly doing my best to focus on the context of your meanings. I commented on the fallacies you've committed, when you use them to support your truth claims. Not in the context of an...
  15. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    What exactly do you mean is a "false dichotomy"? What are some examples of these displayed values that you seem to find offensive? Should we NOT ground the child's beliefs in facts and evidence, or should we choose half-truths, propaganda, make-believe, or appeals to ego? Do you think it is...
  16. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    Everyone has the advantage of simply denying the meaning of their words. I can't comment on the intent of your words, only on my interpretation of their meaning. If you wish to adjust your meanings("normative approach to tradition") to suit a new narrative, then you are just simply changing the...
  17. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    How is it folly or deception to tell children to take responsibility for their own actions? Not to blame their actions and decisions on their beliefs and superstitions. How is it folly or deception to base your worldview on facts and evidence, that can be falsified, tested, and observed? Is it...
  18. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    What makes it obvious to you that a God(s) exist? Are you claiming that you KNOW(truth claim) that a God(s) exists, or are you just claiming that you only BELIEVE(belief/faith claim) that a God(s) exist? Exactly what part(s) of the human condition would you label as being spiritual, to justify...
  19. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    We are not purely rational creatures, only because of how the brain compartmentalize sensory information, PERIOD. Consider the fact that we are in conscious control of only 5% of the bodies functions. Clearly you make no distinction between the intrinsic and stimulus-induced activities of the...
  20. Truly Enlightened

    Children and Religion

    Simply denying the meaning or implications of your own quoted words, is not evidence for your denial. Your repost included, "I did not imply that being irreligious was conceited, I stated that it is a conceit to believe you see the world as it is.". Since most folk who see the wold as it is...
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