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    What did Jesus Sacrifice?

    Jesus was not referring to his physical body here but rather "the temple of his body". Jesus was raised into a body after three days, but, as already stated, this was a spiritual body and not a physical one. (1 Cor 15:45 NIV) “..So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being"; the...
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    What did Jesus Sacrifice?

    Jesus sacrificed his life to atone for our sins yes. Jesus was a sacrifice, period. To claim Jesus wasn't a sacrifice but like one, is to deny scripture. (Ephesians 5:2) "..and go on walking in love, just as the Christ also loved us and gave himself for us as an offering and a sacrifice, a...
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    What did Jesus Sacrifice?

    I'm not overthinking, I'm taking scripture of what it states. Jesus is the equivalent to the sacrificial lamb/animal that was used to cover over sins. Jesus took place of those sacrificial animals, John the Baptiste said “See, the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world!” (John 1:29...
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    What did Jesus Sacrifice?

    We don't know who he looked like. Spirit creature (Angels), as recorded in the bible, have manifested themselves in physical human forms and conversed and even produced offspring with mankind (Genesis 18:2, 19:1). If angels are able to temporarily take on a human form, and Jesus was resurrected...
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    What did Jesus Sacrifice?

    I understand your example, but your missing the implications set in Hebrews 10:10 which sets the standards for what Jesus lost. (Heb 10:10 NIV) “..For God's will was for us to be made holy by the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ, once for all time..” No scripture states that the sacrifice...
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    What did Jesus Sacrifice?

    I do believe Jesus gave something, that being his flesh and blood as stated in scripture. I don't believe Jesus is almighty and infinitely God, I believe only the Father is almighty God and that Jesus is his Son and is inferior and subject to the Father. But you're correct, if Jesus was...
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    What did Jesus Sacrifice?

    The fact that Jesus appeared different shouldn't make you immediately conclude that the person was an impostor. From each account its clear that Jesus disciples and Mary knew they were speaking to Jesus not because of his appearance but by his actions and words. (Luke 24:15-16, 30-31)...
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    What did Jesus Sacrifice?

    Jesus gave his flesh and blood for us, this is symbolized by bread and wine. Regarding Jesus it says “[he] gave himself as a ransom for all people” (1 Tim 2:6). When in the upper rooms Jesus broke a loaf and gave it to his disciples and said “This is my body, which shall be given for the sake of...
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    Is Jesus God?

    By group I mean any reference to a firstborn in relation to what he's firstborn of. Take Exodus 11:5, that reads "and every firstborn in the land of Egypt will die, from the firstborn of Pharʹaoh who is sitting on his throne to the firstborn of the slave girl who is working at the hand mill, and...
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    Is Jesus God?

    What in my response did you not get? "Arche" does not mean source or origin. My claim is that arche in Rev 3:14 means "beginning" in the same sense we understand the word "beginning" to mean in english. This is because all things were created through Jesus by God, read John 1:3 again as you...
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    Is Jesus God?

    Are you ready to answer the question I posed in our discussion before, or are you unable to address the points I raised? 1. Could you show me an example where something or something is the firstborn of a group and yet not part of the group? You can use any biblical or non biblical example, if...
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    Is Jesus God?

    Let me firstly say I'm not here to defend the WT society, I will on the other hand defend JW doctrine. What you have written in your last response however is misleading on many matters which I will address. The way you quoted the article and from what you said gives the impression the writer was...
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    Is Jesus God?

    Could you show me a single biblical or worldly example where something or someone is firstborn of a group and they themselves aren't part of the group they're firstborn of?
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    Is Jesus God?

    James2ko gave a fine answer to your question regarding this. The fact that he isn't a one of Jehovah's witnesses should also tell you that his answer is an unbiased opinion -statement of fact rather- towards the insertion of the word other in Colossians chapter one. To add further to his...
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    Is Jesus God?

    Actually no, the Greek word arche in Revelation 3:14 is not in regarding Jesus being first in position. Many people when researching Rev 3:14 see translations that render the word "acrhe" to mean ruler or source/originator. I'm not quite sure which one you refer to when you say "first in...
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    Is Jesus God?

    From reading some of your previous post I gathered that you weren't a JW. May I ask what differences do you have with JW doctrine? Also, out of curiosity, what belief's of the Mormons do you adhere to?
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    Is Jesus God?

    It's true, however, I don't always do it for the people who I speak one on one with as forums such as these get far more guest then they do users. I hope and have seen, at times, that those readers minds can change by the discussions people such as ourselves have with others, as they eventually...
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    Hi Brother, thanks for the welcome! I'm from over the pond, London.

    Hi Brother, thanks for the welcome! I'm from over the pond, London.
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    Is Jesus God?

    Some people throw logic out the window when its comes to God and Christ, they assume that because Jesus is Almighty it somehow makes words used to describe him void of their meaning, its sad really. Thank you for explaining it again. Too many forums, online articles and other religious...
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    Is Jesus God?

    How is does the statement of "These are the things that [Jesus] the Amen says, [who is] the faithful and true witness, [who is] the beginning of the creation by God" (Rev 3:14) somehow show that Jesus is preeminent over creation?? How does the statement found in the OT, prior to the events of...
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