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    Was Jesus anti-Pharasaic?

    I just realised I overlooked asking you what you believed should have happened to these poor ones who ate fresh produce on the sabbath? Since you persist in promoting these poor people were criminals deserving condemnation without mercy, what would your sentencing be for them? Stoning, lashing...
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    Understanding More About God of Israel.

    With love and respect to you too. I understand you wish to defend what you believe to be true and you are right that if your concept of Jesus being God is not correct that many other things will fall down in your understanding. I took the plunge and began over with new wine in a new skin when I...
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    Was Jesus anti-Pharasaic?

    According to Torah I quoted above about eating from a field, it was WAS normal for the Torah-observant poor to immediately eat what they picked ... NOT reaped. Your joking argument is not based on Torah since Torah-observant Israelites in scriptural times did NOT reap on the sabbatical year...
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    Was Jesus anti-Pharasaic?

    Absolutely right That was why he spoke against the oral law so often and why he defended scriptural law over rabbinic enactments and traditions. In doing this he quoted other prophets God said the same things through. IS 29:13 Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with...
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    Was Jesus anti-Pharasaic?

    I'm not defining it to suit my preferences, but rabbinic oral law did in total disregard and disagreement for what God clearly taught about what is harvesting and reaping, even although man-made oral law disagrees. After you asked your question I studied to see what God said and here are some...
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    Understanding More About God of Israel.

    Sadly wrong according to the gospels. Jesus was condemned on the testimony of 2 FALSE witnesses MT 26:60 But found none: yea, though many false witnesses came, yet found they none. At the last came two false witnesses, There would have been no condemnation for a rabbi (or prophet) to in some...
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    Who is the false prophet of Matthew 7

    God says you may not add to His Words. Jesus said the Father is greater than him. You added 'in position' Despite modifying scripture, you still agree that the Father is 'above' Jesus yet you still claim Jesus is God ... so according to you there are 2 Gods... a greater God who is the Father...
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    Was Jesus anti-Pharasaic?

    There is no scriptural law which states that hungry people may not pick and eat grain on the sabbath. They were not stealing. They were not doing the work of harvesting or reaping which doesn't involve only picking and eating what you personally need at that moment. They were not breaking any of...
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    Was Jesus anti-Pharasaic?

    The Pharisees can be thankful they weren't suffering hunger which is not a crime but you are promoting it is even although it was not a crime for David's hungry men to eat holy priestly bread which is not lawful under normal circumstances of not being hungry. God's greatest law is mercy ...
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    Was Jesus anti-Pharasaic?

    Jesus and Joshua are the same name. In full awareness of Torah, another Joshua was master of the sabbath when he made Israel march around Jericho for 7 days straight (so it must have included a sabbath) laden with weapons etc Jesus actually pointed out that it is lawful for all sons of men to...
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    Was Jesus anti-Pharasaic?

    Only if that judge you are discussing has committed an equally offensive crime and doesn't hand himself the same sentence ... judging in hypocrisy is not righteous judgment ... like Jesus teaching get the log out of your own eye before you assume to get the speck out of someone else's.
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    Was Jesus anti-Pharasaic?

    This is a fair summation of my opinion thank you. The biggest example of hypocrisy is breaking the golden rule, Jesus, Shammai and Hillel all promoted the golden rule and the Pharisee leaders who Jesus confronted believed they were lawful, including the golden rule, yet they failed to treat...
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    Was Jesus anti-Pharasaic?

    My post was simply a response to Levite's astute observations and had nothing to do with Paul or his claims to being a Pharisee. Regarding my understanding of Jesus on Pharisee customs: Pharisees believed in an oral Torah, often involving man-made laws. Jesus spoke against any man-made oral...
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    Was Jesus anti-Pharasaic?

    From my perspective this is a bonus, since Acts offers a witness AGAINST Paul. Paul thought there was a spy reporting against him (Gal 2:4) and considering what Luke reported about Paul, it's possible Luke may have been that spy to our benefit . In Acts he told us these facts which discredit...
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    Who is the false prophet of Matthew 7

    Paul said : Php 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Php 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: Jesus said that Jesus was not equal to God JN 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye...
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    Understanding More About God of Israel.

    Interesting statement since Thomas just said that Jesus hadn't risen from the dead. I wouldn't rely on anything confused imperfect Thomas said at that particular time. Jesus didn't verify any of Thomas's comments either. People can translate silence on a matter however their imagination or...
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    genealogy of Jesus?

    Yes Jesus had to be a physical descendant of David. Mark was supposedly the earliest gospel written and didn't mention virgin birth since that concept hadn't been formulated then. The oldest manuscripts and complete NT's have been discovered which state in the genealogies that (Davidic) Joseph...
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    genealogy of Jesus?

    Thank you for that link. Interesting & much appreciated Sorry I don't know if Christians are accepting of the oral law, since I'm not a Christian.
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    Has God Introduced Himself to Other Species

    I agree. Scripture tells us about God creating all life forms and calling them 'good' God holds life forms accountable for their behaviour, whether human or creature. Gen 9:5 And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of...
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    Understanding More About God of Israel.

    With respect, scripture assures us that God is not a man or a son of man NUM 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent: hath he said, and shall he not do it? or hath he spoken, and shall he not make it good? 1SAM 15:29 And also the Strength of...
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