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  1. Soapy

    Jesus insisted that he had lived in heaven before being born as a human

    No, you are absolutely wrong!!! Jesus is saying that he IS GREATER THAN Abraham. As simply as that: ‘Even Abraham foresaw my day and was glad…’ Abraham foresaw that one of his offspring would be the messiah… and it greatly pleased him. The messiah is OBVIOUSLY greater than Abraham. Abraham...
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    Jesus insisted that he had lived in heaven before being born as a human

    What are you talking about? Abraham was given foresight that one of his offspring WOULD BE the messiah. That is a FUTURE EVENT!!! Many hundreds if not a thousands of years in the future. And Jesus DID NOT SAY that he was BEFORE Abraham in terms of TIME…..!! ‘BEFORE’ means ‘GREATER THAN’…...
  3. Soapy

    Jesus insisted that he had lived in heaven before being born as a human

    Oh boy… !! Jesus did not say that he came down from Heaven. This fallacy has been gone through several times in this forum alone. Jesus said that he came from God… God sent him to testify about God… about the Father. This term, ‘Came from Heaven’ is either of two mal- and mis- Translated...
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    Jesus insisted that he had lived in heaven before being born as a human

    So how do you account for the fact that God was alone before He create the angels and then human Beings as sentient, intelligent, spirited beings? ‘In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.’ (Gen 1:1) Does ‘alone’ mean ‘With The Son … alone, by Himself’? And also, God foreknew...
  5. Soapy

    New Testament Morality

    No… oh yes, I did… because it’s not a valid example. It is the act of a desperate woman who was married to a tyrant who only wanted a boy child to succeed him as king. He did not love her nor was it actually required for a either party to LOVE each other since monarchic marriages in those times...
  6. Soapy

    New Testament Morality

    Yes, I think he’s coming from a good place but DavidSMoore needs a bit more learning on Spiritual matters.
  7. Soapy

    New Testament Morality

    I agree that the words the author used was ‘Adultress’ (equivalence) but that doesn’t mean she wasn’t a prostitute. Can you give me a definition of ‘Prostitute’? What it means…. Whether ‘adultery’ or ‘prostitution’, it’s all the same except that ‘adultery’ is with a married other or the...
  8. Soapy

    New Testament Morality

    I’m glad for your sake that you added the words, ‘explicitly’. It’s the only way your argument holds water. You: You are afraid of detail? Tell me, what reason would any woman be ‘a serial adulteress’ and do it just for the sex or other non-monetary reason?
  9. Soapy

    Jesus insisted that he had lived in heaven before being born as a human

    “…But now you are seeking to kill me, A MAN who has told you the truth that I heard from God.” Jesus is a MAN who was taught by God. God was alone before he created the angels and then all the world … and finally, MAN. Jesus was not pre-existent. The fact that you guys are arguing over what...
  10. Soapy

    New Testament Morality

    Oh boy….! A Sin is TRULY ‘Forgiven’ only if the person relents from the sin they committed. There is always a sacrifice involved in a forgiveness. In the case of the woman, it was to STOP DOING WHAT SHE WAS DOING…. And to find gainful employment INSTEAD! It is not possible FOR MAN to forgive...
  11. Soapy

    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    He made a mistake saying Left… but you were Right! :)
  12. Soapy

    Was the Father's will always subordinate to the Son's will?

    Please show your reasoning.
  13. Soapy

    New Testament Morality

    Hi… hi… I’m not disputing what the laws said… you madd that clear - but YOU aren’t sticking to it. You stated correctly that the Jews appeared NOT TO APPLY THE LAW TO THE MAN ‘caught in adultery’… yet you say they were STICKLERS for the law - which they were, and Jesus called them out for this...
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    For trinity believers: Does your world come unravelled if Jesus is not God,but ONLY Gods Son?

    Not only that but THERE IS NOTHING WRONG with making a genuine attempt to pronounce the NAME of God … a reverent approach is not unGodly. What do you say about the NAME of the human Son of God: Jesus? IT IS NOT ‘JEE-ZUS’ is it??? What? You didn’t know?????? Oh boy!!!! It is, in fact, more...
  15. Soapy

    New Testament Morality

    Yes, I responded not in full… I meant that you notice that THE MAN was not accused of Adultery… the woman only and yet the Jews were claiming to be following ‘The Law’!! It’s similar to (anecdotally) Muslim MEN are commands to hide their hair (which ‘hair’) from everyone except certain close...
  16. Soapy

    Jesus is not God

    I’m interested…. Where did the argument that the ONE God of the Israelites is ‘Three Persons’ or ‘Three facets of one person’, come from? From what I read, the God of the Israelites spike to His favoured nation instructing them ‘Not to have any other God’ before* Him… To believe in Him, YHWH...
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    New Testament Morality

    I think you will find that it wasn’t a ‘Lawful’ law. It was a manmade law which was biased against women (prostitutes). BUT what I am amazed to have to point out to everyone I’ve ever spoken or written to about the incident, was that Jesus did not let the woman off from her perpetrators… He...
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    New Testament Morality

    What you have written up to three quarters is fully true … wonderful summary. But I think the last quarter of what you said is not right. What Jesus meant by ‘Love your enemies’ is not that, in your example, we shouldn’t report the offended for what he did, BUT THAT WE SHOULDNT SEEK REVENGE...
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    Is God a man?

    ‘The brain is a person’…? Fish have brains… Sheep have brains… All animals, Birds, insects, .. all living things have a brain. The brain of an entity is the processing unit for the body. A person who is considered dead still has a brain but which is non-functional since there is no Spirit to...
  20. Soapy

    What Trinitarian churches teach about the Trinity

    It seems you are not answering the question set to you. I already know that you think that Jesus is both God and man but the Father is just God. But the question was not about what you think Jesus is or what you think the Father is. The question was: ———————————————— What exactly do you find...
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