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  1. Thanda

    Abortion

    It is relevant in that your line of argument was used 300 years ago to abuse and demean other human beings. An acorn is not equivalent to a fetus. It is equivalent to a sperm cell or an egg: neither of which represent any stage of development of a human life. Only once the acorn finds the...
  2. Thanda

    Abortion

    Nope - it shows that many did not want to participate in a burial. And that gives us a clue about what they thought of the remains...which has nothing to do with what they thought of the life. Another interesting question comes to mind, what is burial and cremation? Are they not the manner in...
  3. Thanda

    Abortion

    Here, in your own back yard (assuming you're American) "Mr. O'Brien, the owner of New York Mortuary Service Inc. at 349 East 116th Street, said he had embalmed the body for one of the 20 funeral directors elsewhere in the city who call on him because they ''refuse to touch'' people who die of...
  4. Thanda

    Abortion

    Do you have evidence that mothers thought their children were disgusting and that they had no desire to save their lives if they could? Well luckily we don't have to go too far back to find out. We have HIV with us today and in the early years (when it was little understood) there were all kinds...
  5. Thanda

    Abortion

    Abortion is also legal here and so I am discussing both, thank you very much. You admit then that you would not have cared what happened in another man's house if you lived 300 years ago? Appealing to the law is an appeal to authority when we are having a discussion about what is moral and...
  6. Thanda

    Abortion

    You are correct - it demonstrates what people thought of the remains. It does not demonstrate what people thought of the people while they were still alive - not in the black plague example at least - this clearly shows then that how people treat the remains is a red herring. I have already...
  7. Thanda

    Abortion

    That is the cost of abortion now that it is legal. If it were illegal, the costs could have included death (from failed abortions) and or imprisonment. Furthermore don't assume everything is as it is in the US. It is absolutely free to give birth in here in South Africa You forget that women...
  8. Thanda

    Abortion

    Of course she wants to survive, hence she is having an abortion. And the fetus has no greater right to life than the mother. Therefore she is well within her rights to act to preserve her own life even if it means ending the baby's. They want the fetus to die because they want to live. Like I...
  9. Thanda

    Abortion

    No they, those women (having medically necessary abortions) want the fetus removed though they know doing so will result in the baby's death. They, and only they, wish the baby could survive but know it won't. It is life for life and they are choosing their own life over the life of the baby -...
  10. Thanda

    Abortion

    I don't need to. Studies already show that most women have abortion for birth control reasons. Ergo they want the baby dead.
  11. Thanda

    Abortion

    Yes
  12. Thanda

    Abortion

    Maybe, but the value of a life does not exist independently of other human beings. So how people feel about a thing matters (in truth it is all that matters ). And as it happens in some countries you can kill most animals without penalty while it others it is a criminal offence. It is all about...
  13. Thanda

    Abortion

    Oh I know you don't care. I'm just pointing out that the reasons you are putting forth as justification don't cross most women's minds when they go for an abortion. Their intent is to kill not to remove from their body. Infact they couldn't care less if the foetus didn't eventually leave their...
  14. Thanda

    Abortion

    I'm talking about how society treats dead fetuses and how the inconsistency traumatizes women
  15. Thanda

    Abortion

    It is important to note that when a woman goes to an abortion clinic for a lifestyle abortion, she fully intends to kill the baby and is not merely excercising her right to have the baby removed from her body. Only women who have medically necessary abortions are hoping the baby would be able to...
  16. Thanda

    Abortion

    And my point is, our current internal inconsistency in which we treat a fetus differently from a new born when they die is what adds to the heartache women feel during a miscarriage .
  17. Thanda

    Abortion

    Moral of the story? Many people have an vested interest in allowing the right to terminate a pregnancy they don't want. It is this that causes them to systematically dehumanise an unborn child so as to allow them to achieve their goal.
  18. Thanda

    Abortion

    It's about expedience. When Europeans came to Africa they were well aware that we black people are as fully human as they are. Other than the shade of our skin (they themselves we not of the same skin colour) and our cultural practices (they also had differing cultural practices among...
  19. Thanda

    Abortion

    No, it is not merely... The fetus is usually killed while in the mothers womb and then removed. Thus what the woman actually does (or consents to be done) is kill the fetus. But we may extend this. From time to time we have cases here where a woman places her new born baby in a dustbin. Often...
  20. Thanda

    Abortion

    And, incidentaly, many women who fail to abort a child kill it as soon as it is born - here in South Africa at least.
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