The unsaved souls of the dead unborn are not tortured; they simply exist without communion with God, because they never had the chance to know Him, or to come into actual communion with Him through the provision of divine grace and the virtue of charity, which is necessary to salvation, via the...
Keep in mind that I'm speaking from the Catholic perspective only - I cannot speak for Protestant "Churches".
Regarding demonisation of extra-Christian elements in society: Poor upbringing on the part of the parents. They are told one thing by the Church and another thing entirely by the...
Hi, Terese. I was referring specifically to the Catholic DIR, in which this thread is posted. And pardon me, I meant last topic/thread*, not 'post'. I'm inquiring as to the level of activity in this DIR.
God is necessarily perfect, meaning that He is infinitely just and infinitely moral. If He permits something to take place, then it is justified. All of the human race could be united in consensus against Him - the human race, in its deficient perspective, would still be wrong.
If He did, then He also knew that the mother (and others involved in both the decision and the action) could not be held guilty for the decision and action until it was carried out.
Subjective, baseless, and non-consequential opinion.
In response to both of you (ADigitalArtist and Frankenstein):
If you want to define abortion that way and say that it therefore does have exceptions, then sure. But I am talking specifically about intention.
Yeah, so does abortion. It also always results in the death of at least one person...
All correct (though, Saint Augustine was far from 'stupid, and your opinion that the theory of limbo is 'disgusting' is completely subjective, and of no consequence). What we do know for certain, though, is that baptism is necessary to salvation. At the same time, we do not know for certain that...
Didn't read the whole case, merely the introductory paragraph, but if the mother's life is at risk, then, as above, saving her becomes the intention, and the act involved in that is different to abortion. I'm not saying I would force her to birth the children.
As I said above to PopeADope...
The souls of unbaptised infants do not inherit salvation. If they did, why would we oppose abortion? We'd be right to refer to so-called 'abortion mills' as 'salvation mills' if this were true.
As above. Innocence does not warrant salvation in of itself.
Okay.
Then it ought to be responded to by whatever means necessary in order to preserve the mother's life. If this results in the termination of the pregnancy, then that's a grave pity, but this does not constitute abortion; the intention is to save the mother's life, not to end that of her child...
That's your opinion. It is also wrong, because as a man, you cannot possibly have a superior understanding of justice or morality than God.
Support for human euthanasia is scandal; you are encouraging others to commit mortal sin.
Okay, great. I maintain my point; circumstances pointing to...
To answer your question simply: "Yes, and it should be abolished in all circumstances."
Sometimes this occurs. Not always, however. No life can be discarded on the basis of them being however likely to lead a 'poor life'. Even then, who are you or I to say that someone's life is (or will be)...
I've just signed up here on RF and I figure that I have everything to gain from making myself known to the Catholic DIR. I enjoy challenging myself in apologetics, and have no doubt that I'll have plenty of opportunity for that here on RF. I'm curious to know how active this DIR is (I notice...
Hello, everyone.
I've just become a member here at RF, and figured that I ought to make an introductory post in order to make myself known. I look forward to sharing informative discussion and debate with you all. Thank you for having me.