I don't cast doubt on your assertion that you have the right of your own discernment on this. Just saying it appears that not every Catholic leader throughout history has followed this playbook.
I would hope you would have answered the question first before moving forward with your belief on how one is saved, such as "No, I have never seen a scripture expressing the sentiment baptism has to do with sanctification/growth and is not salvific., but salvation comes via..."
I believe it's...
Well I'm glad at least on the books that praying to statues and such is frowned upon, however, what I speak is not lies. I know someone who had witnessed others praying to statues of various saints. So in practice, it has happened.
But we don't pray to the Bible and Catholics do pray to statues of saints and statues of Mary, and carry around statuettes of saints for protection. That's more than veneration/respect.
Didn't I say scriptures expect us to preach the word of God, acknowledge our faith in Christ if asked, and live the life? What other acknowledgement is there in the New Testament?
Define veneration.
Dictionary.com defines it as
ven·er·a·tion
/ˌvenəˈrāSH(ə)n/
noun
great respect; reverence.
"the traditional veneration of saints"
With synonyms as:
reverence, respect, worship, adoration, homage, exaltation, adulation...
I don't think he's saying Catholics celebrate any "pagan" festivals or honor any "pagans", it would be my guess that he's saying (and he can correct me if I'm wrong) the pagan influences that the Catholic Church holds onto, such as the title Pontifex Maximus and the monstrance.
As far as the...
I think we already settled that one. I am asking if you know of any scripture saying: baptism has to do with sanctification/growth and is not salvific.
I myself have never seen a verse expressing this sentiment, have you?
My answer is yes, as baptism in His name comes from Him and was His idea...
No I want verses for
Identification/baptism has to do with sanctification/growth and is not salvific.
I ask for a little forbearance. I am learning from you about Messianics. I acknowledge my ignorance on the matter. I think I was thinking of Messianics as its own group (like Hassidic, Orthodox...
That is true, and sure we give offerings, but who gives tithes these days, from a Biblical perspective? I don't know if Jews do, so they may. We can't say tithes are what we want them to mean, tithes are what the Old Testament says they are.
As with Noah Mccree, I as well have always believed in Believer's baptism, which involves being baptized in water as an adult or old enough to know what one is getting into, not an infant, on the basis of his or her profession of faith in Jesus Christ. I will include also the Biblical purpose of...
Baptism represents how we follow the path of Jesus in terms of how He was buried into and resurrected from this sea of water. Jesus Himself set an example by submitting Himself to the baptism by John the Baptist.
~Hawkins, are these tenets scripture or simply a church narrative? I haven't seen...
We pluck our belief on the purpose of baptism in Jesus's name straight out of the text. The same cannot be said of baptism as an alleged "Christian's first act of obedience." It's a historical teaching, not a Biblical one.
Do you know of any verses that describe baptism in Jesus's name in the way you just described?
I saw it on Wikipedia. And I figured it'd be likely that Messianics would align themselves with one school of thought or another. I did not know that there were various sects.
Indeed, the identification makes sense, before and as a precursor to the mikveh.
Romans 10:9-10 that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved; [10] for with the heart a person believes, resulting in...