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  1. Ketzer

    What paradigm will replace Christianity?

    Sounds great, but what do you mean with this?
  2. Ketzer

    Resurrected or rivived? What, if the Turin Shroud offers a big surprise?

    The Turin Shroud ... an ingenious forgery from the Middle Ages? Surprising message of the Turin Shroud affects Christian Religion
  3. Ketzer

    Resurrected or rivived? What, if the Turin Shroud offers a big surprise?

    Crucifixion was made to create a daylong cruel and awful dieing, especially for rioters to demonstrate their followers the powerlessness of their leader. Pilate wondered that Jesus should be already dead ...
  4. Ketzer

    Resurrected or rivived? What, if the Turin Shroud offers a big surprise?

    funny many scientists say that the TS is real. Does a continuation of the discussion between us make sense? What do you think?
  5. Ketzer

    Resurrected or rivived? What, if the Turin Shroud offers a big surprise?

    Fine, so we both exclude variant 3 and agree that nothing supernatural has happened in Palestine. The supernatural happened only in the consciousness of some people (especially Paul) , this paved the was for a religion, right? Then we have only 2 cases left: (1) Jeshua was indeed dead aufter...
  6. Ketzer

    Real story of jesus

    Interesting: my thread about the Turin Shroud and this thread seems to have very much in common. For me it is not so important, whether Jesus was in India or not - there seems to be evidence that he became very old, and even influenced a buddhist council, what I really can imagine. For me is...
  7. Ketzer

    Resurrected or rivived? What, if the Turin Shroud offers a big surprise?

    Another way to look at this: A man who is dead as a dodo can not be seen alive, preaching to people, even eating something as in John reported - I mean scientifically speaking. Therefore the core of christian religion is not compatible of modern scientific thinking. There are only 3...
  8. Ketzer

    Resurrected or rivived? What, if the Turin Shroud offers a big surprise?

    Yes it seems so. But I believe that the way religion is believed and lived can change. Let's just assume that the you get shown in TV that the historical Jesus as survived his crucixion, kids learn it in school - not in sunday school of course but in history-lessons, don't you think that this...
  9. Ketzer

    Resurrected or rivived? What, if the Turin Shroud offers a big surprise?

    You might be right - people like to believe in fantasies - an old grave cloth, not worth to look at it. In my eyes it is the same as with the story of Galilei: if one thinks already to know the truth, it is not worth while to look through telescopes - like the cardinals, who sentences Galileo.
  10. Ketzer

    Resurrected or rivived? What, if the Turin Shroud offers a big surprise?

    Well, you think to know a lot of the Turin Shroud, your "Shroud religion" is therefore firm like an orthodox religion. Unless you are really willing to reopen the case and look at what is known today (or is thought to be known) a discussion with you makes no sense.
  11. Ketzer

    Christians Only; How are We Saved?

    How do you know that you have to be saved?
  12. Ketzer

    The Sacrifice of Jesus from a Non-Religious Perspective.

    fine, I have just opened it at "science and religion"
  13. Ketzer

    Resurrected or rivived? What, if the Turin Shroud offers a big surprise?

    The message of the Turin Shroud: Jesus has survived the crucifixion. Source: www.shroud.info For a long time, the Turin shroud was believed to be a ‘living proof" of the crucifixion of Jesus and in particular of His supernatural resurrection. In the 1980s a radiocarbon-dating was...
  14. Ketzer

    The Sacrifice of Jesus from a Non-Religious Perspective.

    ok, I will make a new threat - but I consider the TS a historical, scientificly researchable object. I think that you are not up to date, if you deem the TS a fake, believing that it has no historicty. Since the 1988 dating "event" much as been researched and came out. That the TS is a fake...
  15. Ketzer

    Proof of God(s)?

    I agree: if we define ourselfs (in the end) as something like consciousness (who is aware of a body and a world) we can ask what might be the cause of this consciousness? Is the cause of our existance random? Neither yes or no can be proven. But there might be a deep feeling that random might...
  16. Ketzer

    How We Know the Bible is God's Inspired Word

    Just compare in the NT which ladies came to the tomb on sunday morning, how many men (or angles?) where in the tomb?
  17. Ketzer

    The Sacrifice of Jesus from a Non-Religious Perspective.

    Hmm - and if the samples have been fraudulently exchanged? What was received by the 3 institues does not match to what was cut out, at least as the one told, who cut it out (Riggi). The main actor (Michael Tite) and co. received the proud sum of 1 mio pound for the result "Medivial" , this is...
  18. Ketzer

    Did Jesus exist?

    Proof? I just receive a 50€ note from the cash-mashine and you prove to me that it is genuine? You will not able to, because my falsifier is ingenius, I can tell you! He can falsify everything, just ingenius. Evidence? If I look at the banknote I trust that it is genuine because it looks...
  19. Ketzer

    The Sacrifice of Jesus from a Non-Religious Perspective.

    Thats right. There is much evidence that the Turin Shroud was the shroud of the historical Jesus and there are several forensic experts stating that the man under this Shroud was still alive.
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