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    Bonjour798's Challenge Thread! Theists, Beware!

    Sounds like a rather posh shindig, we could even listen to this new musical craze known as jazz.
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    Bonjour798's Challenge Thread! Theists, Beware!

    @Draka Alright, that's fine, I feel like were just arguing for the sake of arguing now so I'm going to end it. I believe what I believe, and you beliefs are your own, so shall we call it a day and shake on it? Maybe have a nice pipe together while discussing our stocks or our recent horse/yacht...
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    Bonjour798's Challenge Thread! Theists, Beware!

    I'm not condoning rape, like i said, I didn't want to use that example but it was already brought up. All I'm saying is that in a completely logical view on the advancement of our species (without morals, good, evil) because in all other species, that's pretty much how it goes. Again, I do not...
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    Bonjour798's Challenge Thread! Theists, Beware!

    But were kind of getting way off topic here, we should probably transition back to the main subject of the forum.
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    Bonjour798's Challenge Thread! Theists, Beware!

    I understand what you're getting at, but where does it come from in ourselves that its an awful thing? Don't get me wrong, I agree with you fully on this topic and I hate using it as an example but wouldn't it make sense to advance our species by basically jumping on anything that looked like us...
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    Bonjour798's Challenge Thread! Theists, Beware!

    But even during (and before) that you wouldn't just murder someone because they, oh I don't know, looked at your chickens funny (I'm no historian either); I'm just saying that we have always had this view of right or wrong, like how would we know torture was wrong? There was a time where we...
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    Bonjour798's Challenge Thread! Theists, Beware!

    Okay, and where did our teachers, parents, and culture (which media stems from) get this view of evil?
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    Bonjour798's Challenge Thread! Theists, Beware!

    And that's great, I'm not denying that, I'm just saying (from experience) that you need to be open to change before it happens.
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    Bonjour798's Challenge Thread! Theists, Beware!

    By saying that how you did, people wont want to change their beliefs. You don't need to accept what others believe but you don't need to chew them out for it either.
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    Bonjour798's Challenge Thread! Theists, Beware!

    But where do we get those morals?
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    Bonjour798's Challenge Thread! Theists, Beware!

    Well, what makes some things evil?
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    Stumbling into the Forums

    I was looking for somewhere I could discuss different worldviews/beliefs with people that won't get angry with a simple debate. And to be honest, I just like to debate and discuss :P
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    Bonjour798's Challenge Thread! Theists, Beware!

    Alright, I don't think these answers are what you really want but I wanted to right some down. Some of these could be considered more of disagreements to the Swinburne posts or how you phrased your claims. I don't mean to be disrespectful in any of these answers so please don't take it that way...
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    If God is omnipresent, He is also in hell.

    No problem, some people like knowing the denomination so I figured I might as well throw it in there.
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    If God is omnipresent, He is also in hell.

    Christian, I won't say any denomination because as long as the theology/doctrine is the same then it doesn't matter in my opinion.
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    If God is omnipresent, He is also in hell.

    In what I've learned, God is omnipotent/present but he does not reside in Hell because Hell is a complete separation from God's love; but this does not mean that he isn't everywhere because Heaven, Earth, and Hell are on multiple different "planes" (how else could and imperfect world, a...
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