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  1. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    Why assess the work or actions of a messenger rather than the message? Why not? Muhammad clearly speaks of very specific fruits along with other very specific words.
  2. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    If you can understand what I am saying we could objectively look at the fruits of Muhammad and come to the same conclusions. With the Bible as the common denominator we could get to know Muhammad by his fruits. For example Muhammad says: "gardens of grapes, and olives, and pomegranates, each...
  3. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    I understand what you are saying but comparing one mans life to another to determine if they are true prophets or false prophets would be difficult to come to any agreement that someone is a true prophet. No. That is just an assumption of what the fruit in Matthew 7:16-20 means in the Bible...
  4. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    But from your dictionary link: "the soft part containing seeds that is produced by a plant. Many types of fruit are sweet and can be eaten". "Apricots are the one fruit I don't like". "Oranges, apples, pears, and bananas are all types of fruit". So would apples be the wrong meaning of fruit...
  5. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    Seems that you assume what the Bible says is true and come up with different meanings of how it could be true. Your explanation of different meanings might seem like a simple way to get everyone to agree. But if people can't agree on one meaning how could they ever agree on which of the...
  6. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    No. You just say that you know the difference between true prophets and false prophets but you avoid giving an explanation. So it appears that you just assume so. Just like @TransmutingSoul your idea of fruits has nothing to do with fruits. You changed the word fruits into meaning work or...
  7. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    You have not explained the difference between true prophets and false prophets. If you did know it then you would be able to explain the difference without using the 1000 year avoidance of the subject of how to identify a false prophet. In 800 years all Bahai will have to face this question. So...
  8. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    I was asking. Do you not study the Bible in the same way as interacting with other people? Yeah you could come up with different meanings of what was said but that doesn't mean any of the different meanings were intended.
  9. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    You are finished there because you are unable to explain the difference between false prophets and true ones. It is your explanation of prophets that is fruitless. Because you quote you know them by their fruits but you changed the word fruits into "the fruits of their labour" and talk about...
  10. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    Tell me if you randomly picked any sentence anywhere that someone says anything could you think of multiple meanings for what was said? That is a good thing. That can reduce the risk of misunderstanding what was said by selecting the most likely intended meaning and not missing the point. But...
  11. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    You have only explained you believe, but you don't actually know. So your belief is based on assumption. A belief without knowledge of the fact. Would you call that faith? Do you think spreading a belief without having knowledge of the fact is the same as spreading rumours?
  12. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    Ok. I will take a look at what you think is more significant than what I am saying. I am open to carefully considering what you have to say. So please explain to me how the "different meanings" concept works. Do you know how many different meanings there are to each Bible verse? How exactly...
  13. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    If your judgement of Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is only based on the assumption that Baha'u'llah is truthful then you would just be spreading bahai rumours without any facts. Do you think assuming Baha'u'llah is right and spreading rumours is honest and just determination? As if Baha'u'llah didn't...
  14. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    No. You haven't actually explained anything. You say Baha'u'llah is a true prophet and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a false prophet. And you say you know them by their fruits. Baha'u'llah is a good fruit and Mirza Ghulam is an evil fruit. So you are saying there is a difference between them by saying...
  15. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    You haven't told me anything. You say Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a liar and evil. Those are serious accusations. What research did you do to determine that? What evidence do you have? As @CG Didymus says it sounds like their aim is to produce good: So you have the problem of two good fruits...
  16. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    If you are not able to explain the difference between a true prophet and a false prophet then you are clearly just assuming Baha'u'llah is a true prophet and Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is a false prophet. Unable to tell the difference between them you would just be assuming Mirza Ghulam Ahmad is wrong...
  17. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    It is not easy to talk about unheard words. I was trying to explain how it works to someone earlier in a couple of simple ways that maybe you might be able to grasp. Here: And here: Are you now able to understand the three words bread, oil, and wine are sharing positions with the three...
  18. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    I have done my own research. I was asking about your research. With no explanation it seems clear that you don't know a difference between a true prophet and a false prophet. So you don't actually know if Baha'u'llah is a true prophet or not. Your belief is only based on the assumption that he is.
  19. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    Different words that share the same position would all have one meaning because the position is the meaning of the words. It is because of the shared position that one word can be as another, or another.
  20. WonderingWorrier

    True and False Prophets - Just and Honest Determination

    I am open to listening to your explanation. The problem is you haven't explained anything. Which means you only accept anything Baha'u'llah says by the assumption that he is right. Your belief is of assumption and repetition. You accept everything, but you don't actually know anything. That is...
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