“And fight in the way of God with those; who fight with you”

[paarsurrey]

I do not have confortable answers. But I feel secure to say that military actions do not bring peace. Ever. For anyone.
There is a reason why my favorite Muslim is Badshah Khan.

"Badshah Khan"
But he is not Muhammad. And we are discussing here what Muhammad did and taught. Right? Please
Regards

 

[Sleeppy]

That law is given for individuals but not for communities or cities or countries.

So if your country is attacked you don't defend it? That's not pacifism, that's 'inviting' despotism, and aggression.

To just stand aside and allow women and children to be killed and raped and tortured without trying to stop it by even aggressive means if need be is against the spirit of what Christ taught.

Christ showed anger at the money changers. Which shows that in some situations aggression is required.

You aren't yet able to accept what I'm saying. But, your peace is already in the Earth. You have your reward. The everlasting peace, promised to the meek, is not acceptable to you.

If you could accept it, you would know from God how to prevent all violence.

 

[LuisDantas]

"Badshah Khan"
But he is not Muhammad. And we are discussing here what Muhammad did and taught. Right? Please
Regards

I think Badshah Khan was a better teacher than Muhammad, personally.

 

[Fisher]

Arberry: “And fight in the way of God with those; who fight with you, but aggress not: God loves not the aggressors”
Quran Surah 2:190
Is it not a peaceful and peace promoting teaching? Please

Regards

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This thread was conceptualized from post:
#14 from loverofhumanity, one may like to read it. Regards

Yes, it is.

Its the fight for knowledge in one self (fight against the nature of what a self is); in the same manner as others do in themself. A religion is like an umbrella or protection for those who heartful believe to find knowledge in the way the had lived - restrospective! The last two lines separate the hectics who tend or even prefer to misunderstand or misuse the word "fight".

"Who uses the sword as a weapon is stupid. The blade should only sharpen the mind."

 

[loverofhumanity]

You aren't yet able to accept what I'm saying. But, your peace is already in the Earth. You have your reward. The everlasting peace, promised to the meek, is not acceptable to you.

If you could accept it, you would know from God how to prevent all violence.

The main reason we don't have peace yet is because people have not yet accepted the Promised One - Baha'u'llah.

When they accept Him, His Teachings and laws, there will be peace.

 

[Sleeppy]

The main reason we don't have peace yet is because people have not yet accepted the Promised One - Baha'u'llah.

When they accept Him, His Teachings and laws, there will be peace.

Baha'ullah has something in common with Jesus and many of the other Teachers:

He failed to communicate the emergence of the truth efficiently.

The fault is not with them unaccepting of dead men, and maligned retellings of history, but it is with the living who remain ignorant, because of an ever-coming promise.

God is the only Teacher, but His teaching is manifested, as many times as there are Sons of Man, and atoms in the universe.

And, this is not an inheritance of truth to look forward to, but to inherit daily.

 

[Spiderman]

The Koran has many calls to violence, much bigotry, and much hatred for unbelievers.

Also, In the Hadiths Muhammad had people's eyes gouged out and hands and feet cut off.

 

[Sara Thinks]

Arberry: “And fight in the way of God with those; who fight with you, but aggress not: God loves not the aggressors”
Quran Surah 2:190
Is it not a peaceful and peace promoting teaching? Please

Regards

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This thread was conceptualized from post:
#14 from loverofhumanity, one may like to read it. Regards

ARBERRY IS NOT A VERY GOOD AND AUTHENTIC TRANSLATION, EITHER WAY, THIS VIDEO WILL JUST GIVE YOU THE CORRECT ANSWER, PROPER AUTHENTIC EXPLANATION ON THIS SUBJECT!

 

[paarsurrey]

ARBERRY IS NOT A VERY GOOD AND AUTHENTIC TRANSLATION, EITHER WAY, THIS VIDEO WILL JUST GIVE YOU THE CORRECT ANSWER, PROPER AUTHENTIC EXPLANATION ON THIS SUBJECT!

One may like to see other translations of the verse of Quran in post #9 from loverofhumanity , please.
Regards

 

[loverofhumanity]

The Koran has many calls to violence, much bigotry, and much hatred for unbelievers.

Also, In the Hadiths Muhammad had people's eyes gouged out and hands and feet cut off.

The hadiths were not revealed by God and are not scripture. They are not true stories especially if they contradict the Quran and the one you mentioned does so.

Muhammad was a peaceful, kind, thoughtful, gentle, generous, truthful and trustworthy Prophet of God.

The stories you have read or heard are untrue, pure superstition.

“.....whatever Muslims, Christians, or others may say is pure fabrication and proceeds from fanaticism, ignorance, or intense hostility”

“These tales are prompted by sheer fanaticism. Likewise, the accounts that the Christian clergy provide and the charges that they level are always exaggerated and often baseless.”

“For example, a foolish individual once told a Christian priest that the proof of true greatness lies in surpassing bravery and bloodshed, and that in a single day one of the followers of Muḥammad had beheaded a hundred men on the battlefield! This led the priest to surmise that the proof of Muḥammad’s religion consisted in killing, which is nothing but vain imagination. On the contrary, Muḥammad’s military expeditions were always defensive in nature.”

Excerpt From: Bahá, Abdu’l. “Some Answered Questions.” Bahá’í eBooks

 

[Sleeppy]

Not even Jesus could do it.
Regards

He did do it, several times over.

 

[Milton Platt]

Arberry: “And fight in the way of God with those; who fight with you, but aggress not: God loves not the aggressors”
Quran Surah 2:190
Is it not a peaceful and peace promoting teaching? Please

Regards

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This thread was conceptualized from post:
#14 from loverofhumanity, one may like to read it. Regards

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Doesn't appear to be peaceful.

 

[Milton Platt]

The hadiths were not revealed by God and are not scripture. They are not true stories especially if they contradict the Quran and the one you mentioned does so.

Muhammad was a peaceful, kind, thoughtful, gentle, generous, truthful and trustworthy Prophet of God.

The stories you have read or heard are untrue, pure superstition.

“.....whatever Muslims, Christians, or others may say is pure fabrication and proceeds from fanaticism, ignorance, or intense hostility”

“These tales are prompted by sheer fanaticism. Likewise, the accounts that the Christian clergy provide and the charges that they level are always exaggerated and often baseless.”

“For example, a foolish individual once told a Christian priest that the proof of true greatness lies in surpassing bravery and bloodshed, and that in a single day one of the followers of Muḥammad had beheaded a hundred men on the battlefield! This led the priest to surmise that the proof of Muḥammad’s religion consisted in killing, which is nothing but vain imagination. On the contrary, Muḥammad’s military expeditions were always defensive in nature.”

Excerpt From: Bahá, Abdu’l. “Some Answered Questions.” Bahá’í eBooks[/QUOT


Why must one except the Quran over the other books? What is the methodology you are using to separate truth from exaggeration or myth? How do you verify the veracity of the book you are quoting from (Bahá, Abdu’l)?

 

[loverofhumanity]

I refer to the Writings of the Promised One of all religions, Baha'u'llah.

I might later start a thread outlining Who Baha'u'llah is.

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

The main reason we don't have peace yet is because people have not yet accepted the Promised One - Baha'u'llah.

When they accept Him, His Teachings and laws, there will be peace.

At least until Bahaism is surpassed and yet another doctrine needs to be handed down for a different age

 

[loverofhumanity]

At least until Bahaism is surpassed and yet another doctrine needs to be handed down for a different age

How very true. I just hope we don't crucify Him as is often the case.

 

[paarsurrey]

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Doesn't appear to be peaceful.

Please see their context verses, some verses preceding and some following.
Regards