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‘Airplane!’ Director Says Hollywood Is ‘Destroying Comedy’

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
There are multiple reasons, actually, including sample size, feasibility of finding new subjects when experiments need to be repeated for any reason, and, in the case of veterinary treatments, the fact that testing on humans would be less precise than on animals.
Veterinarian treatments are probably better practiced on animals where they are intended.
But, with people, there's no reason we have to use animals. We could take in people who volunteer to be given a disease to treat. We could skip straight to human trials.
And this isn't just celebrities. Aldo Leopold, as strict as his views regarding animal testing are, is far more generous and permissive than the ideas of many animal ethicists who are entirely opposed to all research on animals.
Anyone can engage in self-deprecation as much as they want; it's when they give themselves liberty to also deprecate others who didn't consent that problems arise.

I think jokes that punch down or minimize the traumatic nature of certain subjects are generally harmful. This doesn't just apply to Ricky Gervais.
And as he explained, some jokes don't punch anywhere.
I'm not assuming; I'm observing the attitudes of multiple high-profile comedians and politicians from that era. Almost every time a controversy arises because a comedian said something out of line or harmful, it's someone like Bill Maher, Ricky Gervais, Dave Chappelle, or another Boomer or Gen X'er.
If we took out age and generation and replaced it with race it wouldn't even be a discussion. You are stereotyping, pigeonholing and judging based on a birth year.
Like, in America if someone is eating pork chitlins that person might be black. There is historic precedence, after all, and they are a soul food dish. But if someone is eating pork chitlins it's actually wrong to assume the eater is black because the eater may not be black or even American. It's a stereotype. And when you smell them and think black people are nearby you're probably leaning too heavily on stereotypes and assumptions.
 

Debater Slayer

Vipassana
Staff member
Premium Member
Veterinarian treatments are probably better practiced on animals where they are intended.
But, with people, there's no reason we have to use animals. We could take in people who volunteer to be given a disease to treat. We could skip straight to human trials.
And this isn't just celebrities. Aldo Leopold, as strict as his views regarding animal testing are, is far more generous and permissive than the ideas of many animal ethicists who are entirely opposed to all research on animals.

There are multiple reasons to test on animals rather than people, as I mentioned, but I'd rather not post the links explaining why because going further on this tangent may derail the thread.

And as he explained, some jokes don't punch anywhere.

I agree with that. The main question is what kinds of jokes he would consider to be punching nowhere. Sometimes the target of a joke is the best judge of that, not the rich celebrity telling the joke without any exposure to the experience it mocks.

If we took out age and generation and replaced it with race it wouldn't even be a discussion. You are stereotyping, pigeonholing and judging based on a birth year.
Like, in America if someone is eating pork chitlins that person might be black. There is historic precedence, after all, and they are a soul food dish. But if someone is eating pork chitlins it's actually wrong to assume the eater is black because the eater may not be black or even American. It's a stereotype. And when you smell them and think black people are nearby you're probably leaning too heavily on stereotypes and assumptions.

A major difference is that unlike skin color or race, upbringing and prevalent generational values are often defined and influential in deciding a person's worldview.

I grew up with the internet, video games, and foreign movies. I could be a Millennial or Zoomer, depending on when you draw the line for each, and if someone said, "Your attitude toward comedy is similar to most in your generation," I would fully agree. I wouldn't find it ageist because age wouldn't be the sole focus or used as an absolute determinant of my values; it would merely give a general indication of where my attitudes on certain issues could be.

You have probably encountered such acknowledgment of the role that one's age may play as a potential predictor of some of their views, even from older people. When an older conservative bemoans the current "snowflake generation," they're not necessarily unfamiliar with the values of most younger people or being ageist; they just disapprove and express that in overly simplistic terms.
 

Wu Wei

ursus senum severiorum and ex-Bisy Backson
Could Team America: World Police (2004) be made today?
I think so. But I Animal House....unlikely.

Yellowbeard..... nuff said

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lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
Recently, I was accused of being too high brow.
I employed that joke to be more accessible to the masses.

I invented the term "crotchelfester".

He & I have much in common.
Reminds me of back in my engineering days,
when solving problems was all about flexibility,
exploring alternatives, & consideration of the
larger picture...all in pursuit of the optimum
approach to design.
I had some really well thought out failures.

I have done a lot of solution architecture in the software space so...I hear ya!
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
There are multiple reasons to test on animals rather than people, as I mentioned, but I'd rather not post the links explaining why because going further on this tangent may derail the thread.
Yeah, my point is just there is no reason we have to test on animals. We don't have to actually do this.
I agree with that. The main question is what kinds of jokes he would consider to be punching nowhere. Sometimes the target of a joke is the best judge of that, not the rich celebrity telling the joke without any exposure to the experience it mocks.
The targets of jokes often can't agree themselves. Like his Caitlyn Jenner joke. I find nothing wrong in acknowledging she was Bruce but is now Caitlyn, and woman enough to have stereotypes about women applied to her. If anything that was misogynist, but she did hit and kill a pedestrian.
You have probably encountered such acknowledgment of the role that one's age may play as a potential predictor of some of their views, even from older people. When an older conservative bemoans the current "snowflake generation," they're not necessarily unfamiliar with the values of most younger people or being ageist; they just disapprove and express that in overly simplistic terms.
When it comes to me personally it irritates the **** out of me like people trying to see through the lens of a libra (some have assumed I'm the life if the party and are totally off during those initial few moments of introduction) because then I have to explain I was raised gen x, myspace and youtube didn't exist when I was in high school and didn'thave a cell phone then, I got ahead during the recession and walked out of it with home ownership, I don't know much about the cartoons my older nieces and nephews grew up with, and I don't know dicks from dildos about Harry Potter, and Grunge is what was big on the radio and MTV when I was a kid so, yes, I Iisten to it (a few have kept at it with doubt even after I explain that).
My dad, he was born in '64. But he thinks Kiss and AC/DC are screamo and too hard and heavy. At times he doesn't even like a Boomer but in possession of values and thoughts more common to the Victorian era.
I personally try to get to know someone and don't mind their age unless it's something like the brashness or lack of experience of youth. After all, my oldest nephew does not share the optimism amd interest shared by those said to be the same generation.
 

TLK Valentine

Read the books that others would burn.
Could Team America: World Police (2004) be made today?
I think so. But I Animal House....unlikely.

Funny story about Animal House -- the (in)famous "I'm only thirteen!" line was never supposed to make the final cut. The writers wanted her to say "sixteen," but were worried that studio censors would object, so they made the line "thirteen," planning to later raise it as a "compromise" to appease the studio.

Nobody was more surprised than the writers when the censors let "thirteen" stay in without objecting.
 
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