Hmm
Its been some time since I last posted, but I thought some of this thread was in dire need of clarification but more importantly, correction.
Shall we go through some of this step, by step, for those in need of elementary answers and see where things went horribly wrong?
AG said:
when I was younger there was no DNA found yet.
DNA might not be DNA?
Oh, oh, but then
AG said:
As to DNA I can say it is in scripture thousands of years before anyone knew it as DNA. I can show you what you call science that historicly it was writen years ago.
So which is it? If its in scripture, then where in scripture is it? Then again, asking for scriptural proof is just inviting a one-line (two lines at best usually) quote that could be used to describe anything from DNA to Devilish Nazi Atheists
AG said:
In religion science in general will say if you can find one lie. And it still has not been found. But to evolution it is not a lie or mistake even it is always things like growing in knowledge and on and on.
Obviously you will never find a mistake within religion because the very basis of theism is faith the unquestioning belief of an ideal. And science, including evolutionary disciplines, has always (upon conception the of modern science) admitted its own mistakes when they are shown with a logically sound proof. Claiming a 1,000,000,000 to 1 odd against a theory is not proof of its fallacy, only a demonstration that one has an incomplete understanding of a field they already admit to having an elementary, at best, knowledge of in the first place. Science itself evolves as one acquires understanding, thats its primary tenet!
AG said:
Some problems with evolution and common sence
And kudos to Mr. Guy for pointing out again that not everything can be put into elementary standards, nor should it. To demand that a theory which has taken lifetimes to begin to grasp be put into terms that a lower elementary intellect could understand is the same as demanding an elementary student grasp multi-variable calculus without learning arithmetic, algebra, linear theory or even single-variable calculus first then complaining about not knowing what a variable is in the first place. Next are you to demand of us that we lay down the finer points of 11-D Supergravity field interactions in Heterotic-E M-Theory is without mentioning strings that arent made out of wool? It cant be done and any common sense problems that seemingly arise from trying to leap ahead like that are no fault of the scientific communitys.
I quite like the next quote:
Literal Visionary said:
In the beginning before the big bang, there was dust, and the dust just started moving around, pretty soon the piece of dust got pissed at itself and just exploded. Boom!
That whole idea sounds completely absurd to me too because thats not even what astrophysicists say happened. First off, as current Big Bang theory goes, there was no dust before the bang there was absolutely NOTHING. And not just empty space, but no space either, no time, no matter, no energy, no nothing. Thats the whole point of the Big Bang! Its not even a matter of one moment there was nothing and the next there was, because that first moment never existed. And some things do come from nothing Hawking radiation for one, and ignorance too. Matter is constantly being created and destroyed out of nothing into nothing every instant there is.
Literal Visionary said:
Living in a world that depends on exact balance was born out of chaos -fo sho'- The evolution THEORY goes against all scientifically proven LAWS that we know of in the universe MAGICALLY.
No exact balance is required for life to exist
Even life forms on this planet are able to exist in widely varying and often inhospitable environments. And one only need to look at fractals to see (literally) that even with a few, simple, yet chaotic functions, elaborate patterns can emerge. And what scientifically proven LAWS does evolutionary theory go against?
Literal Visionary said:
We don't even know what should constitute intelligence. At least the bible has a written timeline backed up with quite alot of proof, if you choose to look at such examples, even written in our own DNA.
Achem
what should one say to that?
Um, I must say that this is the first mention of biblical proof being written in DNA that Ive ever heard of. To what do you refer?
Literal Visionary said:
Even though we don't even know what intelligence really is, I don't think I could be that dum,IN FACT! I scored a a high 175(not curved to 165) on an adult IQ test-
Yah when I was in second grade at the age of 6
Well, well, well theres a surprise. Another we dont know, so how can we question the Bible? argument the answer to all a creationists prayers, eh? Oh, by the way, IQ tests are worthless, long ago it was shown that given rudimentary knowledge one could ace an IQ test without problem even in second grade since they are designed to test the ability to provide
correctly formatted answers rather than the ability to
think.
And Alexander Garcia, please, for the last time, stop using the argument that were just making up new words to confuse poor laymen like yourself while demanding that we use English when: English itself is a derived language from others; the uniqueness of the English language and its use in science comes from the fact that it readily adapts to new words, thats why its effective, or youd have only heard of giant seismic tidal waves of grand proportions, rather than the succinct tsunami; at one point, every word in the English language was made up; and that if one were to remove the few periods you do put into every third or so sentence, no amount of common sense could make heads or tails of your rants.
