Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
I would like to see some discussion over this, particularly from the type of Satanists that follow this philosophy.
-
Welcome to Religious Forums, a friendly forum to discuss all religions in a friendly surrounding.
Your voice is missing! You will need to register to get access to the following site features:- Reply to discussions and create your own threads.
- Our modern chat room. No add-ons or extensions required, just login and start chatting!
- Access to private conversations with other members.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon!
10 Commandments VS 9 Satanic Sins
- Thread starter Taylor Seraphim
- Start date
I would like to see some discussion over this, particularly from the type of Satanists that follow this philosophy.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
I find it sad that despite its number of views, no-one seemed to bother to respond.
A lot of people are part of Abraham religions though and probably do not want to get demon possessed from watching a YouTube video.
A lot of people are part of Abraham religions though and probably do not want to get demon possessed from watching a YouTube video.
Altfish
Veteran Member
Stupidity
Pretentiousness
Solipsism
Self-deceit
Herd conformity
Lack of perspective
Forgetfulness of past orthodoxies
Counterproductive Pride
Lack of aesthetics
It is helpful to summarize a video at least and/or put something to debate.I find it sad that despite its number of views, no-one seemed to bother to respond.
A lot of people are part of Abraham religions though and probably do not want to get demon possessed from watching a YouTube video.
I think the 10 commandments can be relevant, even the first one.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Sorry, my bad.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
To be honest if there is a god that exists, I do not think he would care because if he did he would make himself evident.
The first commandment is relevant in the sense there are so many versions of God, the issue of false gods is more relevant than ever. A God that doesn't care is yet another of those versions.
allison21
New Member
I don't really understand why he chose to format his video in the way that he did - going in, I expected something more along the lines of reading each one out in its entirety and then comparing and contrasting the similarities and differences. The alternating list-read style didn't give me much insight as to why he was holding the two against each other.
That being said, I also found it interesting when he brought up the fact that the 10 commandments are extremely vague in comparison with the 9 satanic sins. I agree that the 10 commandments can seem like umbrella statements, though some, like "don't steal" and "don't lie" are pretty clear-cut. Perhaps the vague-ness is what has helped them remain fairly relevant for thousands of years? I'm not sure. I am interested to see how the relatively young satanic sins will be interpreted over long periods of time - to me it seems like they'll do quite well, but we'll have to wait and see.
That being said, I also found it interesting when he brought up the fact that the 10 commandments are extremely vague in comparison with the 9 satanic sins. I agree that the 10 commandments can seem like umbrella statements, though some, like "don't steal" and "don't lie" are pretty clear-cut. Perhaps the vague-ness is what has helped them remain fairly relevant for thousands of years? I'm not sure. I am interested to see how the relatively young satanic sins will be interpreted over long periods of time - to me it seems like they'll do quite well, but we'll have to wait and see.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
My own take:
First, I think it would be better to compare the 10 Commandments to the 11 Satanic Rules, but I'll look at the 10 and the 9 and 11.
As for the 10:
1, 2, and 3 - God just needs to get over himself and realize that if he doesn't want us involved with other gods and religions he should have made himself more apparent made sure his own book has no errors.
4 - This overlaps with the previous 3, in that God should have made himself more clear because many Christians have no idea when the Sabbath actually is. And what if we have a job that necessitates we work then? Doctors, surgeons, police, fire fighters, they simply do not have the luxury of saying "none of us are going to work on this day." It's a pretty dumb law.
5 - Respect/honor should never be mandated, but rather earned.
6 and 8 - these I agree with, but you have some very serious problems if you don't.
7 - trying to govern people's sex lives, even when it's consensual, just has no business being called a Commandment.
9 - mostly true, but sometimes a lie can be very beneficial. Sometimes it is necessary, such as in war.
10 - It's human nature to covet. Sometimes it can be just fine and even healthy (such as how the instruments I play tend to be similar to those who influenced me), but sometimes it can be bad (keeping up with the Joneses)
The 9 Satanic Sin:
I agree with all of them (as listed above by Altfish). They help to guard of us from easily being deceived, from building ourselves up too high, from living false lives, and to help us keep things in proper perspective. I especially like 9, but, then again, I am an artist.
The 11 Satanic Rules:
IMO, these are more comparable to the 10.
Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Personally, I find this one to be very situational, and not applicable in all circumstances.
Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
This is just having respect for others, and not weighing them down with your own baggage.
When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
Important enough that I have to wonder why this isn't in the Bible.
If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
You may not have to treat them with cruelty and without mercy, but if they disrespect you in your own home you are certainly under no obligation to tolerate it.
Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
So crucially important that I must wonder why the Bible didn't include it - rather, the Bible insists a victim marry her rapists.
Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
Pretty much in agreement with the Bible, except one must use caution and very good judgement in taking something that is a burden to others (an easy example I can think of is when the two guys took the chest in Pirates of the Caribbean, for the same reason)
Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
I'd personally rather use terms such as willpower, determination, tenacity, and perseverance. But LaVey did add quiet abit of dramatic flair to the Satanic Bible.
Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
This one is just a good idea for good psychological health.
Do not harm little children.
So very excellent that why was it not included in the Bible?
Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
This one more shows the unity and equality of human life and non-human life more than the Bible, were Abel's sacrifice was blood was accepted and Cane's non-blood sacrifice was not.
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
You don't have to destroy them, but sometimes people have to be made to stop pestering you.
First, I think it would be better to compare the 10 Commandments to the 11 Satanic Rules, but I'll look at the 10 and the 9 and 11.
As for the 10:
1, 2, and 3 - God just needs to get over himself and realize that if he doesn't want us involved with other gods and religions he should have made himself more apparent made sure his own book has no errors.
4 - This overlaps with the previous 3, in that God should have made himself more clear because many Christians have no idea when the Sabbath actually is. And what if we have a job that necessitates we work then? Doctors, surgeons, police, fire fighters, they simply do not have the luxury of saying "none of us are going to work on this day." It's a pretty dumb law.
5 - Respect/honor should never be mandated, but rather earned.
6 and 8 - these I agree with, but you have some very serious problems if you don't.
7 - trying to govern people's sex lives, even when it's consensual, just has no business being called a Commandment.
9 - mostly true, but sometimes a lie can be very beneficial. Sometimes it is necessary, such as in war.
10 - It's human nature to covet. Sometimes it can be just fine and even healthy (such as how the instruments I play tend to be similar to those who influenced me), but sometimes it can be bad (keeping up with the Joneses)
The 9 Satanic Sin:
I agree with all of them (as listed above by Altfish). They help to guard of us from easily being deceived, from building ourselves up too high, from living false lives, and to help us keep things in proper perspective. I especially like 9, but, then again, I am an artist.
The 11 Satanic Rules:
IMO, these are more comparable to the 10.
Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
Personally, I find this one to be very situational, and not applicable in all circumstances.
Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
This is just having respect for others, and not weighing them down with your own baggage.
When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
Important enough that I have to wonder why this isn't in the Bible.
If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
You may not have to treat them with cruelty and without mercy, but if they disrespect you in your own home you are certainly under no obligation to tolerate it.
Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
So crucially important that I must wonder why the Bible didn't include it - rather, the Bible insists a victim marry her rapists.
Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
Pretty much in agreement with the Bible, except one must use caution and very good judgement in taking something that is a burden to others (an easy example I can think of is when the two guys took the chest in Pirates of the Caribbean, for the same reason)
Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
I'd personally rather use terms such as willpower, determination, tenacity, and perseverance. But LaVey did add quiet abit of dramatic flair to the Satanic Bible.
Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
This one is just a good idea for good psychological health.
Do not harm little children.
So very excellent that why was it not included in the Bible?
Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
This one more shows the unity and equality of human life and non-human life more than the Bible, were Abel's sacrifice was blood was accepted and Cane's non-blood sacrifice was not.
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.
You don't have to destroy them, but sometimes people have to be made to stop pestering you.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Evidence?
Have you seen all the different versions of God found even in the "same" religions.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
No, the deities are are often very different.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
If I understand it correctly, because Judaism was a polytheistic religion in its earliest days a very long time ago, "no other gods before me" is acknowledging these other gods, but because the Jews are Jehovah's people, he forbid them from worshiping these other gods.
Taylor Seraphim
Angel of Reason
Yeah, that was my understanding as well.