100% surity. Does it exist

[We Never Know]

I see these claims made here everyday.

Without 100% surity that leaves unknowns/doubt

Does any one know with 100% surity that a god or god doesn't exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Does any one know with 100% surity how the universe came to.exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Does any one know with 100% surity how the life came to.exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Etc etc etc.

We can't even claim death is a 100% surity. Behold the biologically immortal jellyfish Turritopsis dohrnii

"The Immortal Jellyfish known scientifically as Turritopsis dohrnii is now officially known as the only immortal creature. The secret to eternal life, as it turns out, is not just living a really, really long time. It’s all about maturity, or rather, the lack of it. The immortal jellyfish (as it is better known popularly) propagate and then, faced with the normal career path of dying, they opt instead to revert to a sexually immature stage"

Immortal Jellyfish – Lifespan, Life Cycle and Facts

"The lifespan of a Greenland shark: up to 500 years. The giant barrel sponge: over 2,000 years. But the longest-living animal on planet Earth? The immortal jellyfish, a creature that can seemingly escape from death altogether"

https://www-sciencefocus-com.cdn.am...w.sciencefocus.com/nature/immortal-jellyfish/

 

[sun rise]

Heisenberg proved that we can't know both a particle's speed and position with 100% surity. The odds are tremendously small, but we can't know with 100% surity that an elephant won't appear in the room you're in 5 minutes from now.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I see these claims made here everyday.

Without 100% surity that leaves unknowns

Does any one know with 100% surity that a god or god doesn't exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Does any one know with 100% surity how the universe came to.exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Does any one know with 100% surity how the life came to.exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Etc etc etc.

We can't even claim death is a 100% surity. Behold the biologically immortal jellyfish Turritopsis dohrnii

"The Immortal Jellyfish known scientifically as Turritopsis dohrnii is now officially known as the only immortal creature. The secret to eternal life, as it turns out, is not just living a really, really long time. It’s all about maturity, or rather, the lack of it. The immortal jellyfish (as it is better known popularly) propagate and then, faced with the normal career path of dying, they opt instead to revert to a sexually immature stage"

Immortal Jellyfish – Lifespan, Life Cycle and Facts

"The lifespan of a Greenland shark: up to 500 years. The giant barrel sponge: over 2,000 years. But the longest-living animal on planet Earth? The immortal jellyfish, a creature that can seemingly escape from death altogether"

https://www-sciencefocus-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.sciencefocus.com/nature/immortal-jellyfish/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16651171664361&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/immortal-jellyfish/

I have definite 100% surety that the imagination in spite of the many pronouncements, will never produce a real God in the waking world to prove the claim. Ever.

 

[JustGeorge]

Heisenberg proved that we can't know both a particle's speed and position with 100% surity. The odds are tremendously small, but we can't know with 100% surity that an elephant won't appear in the room you're in 5 minutes from now.

Well, good thing I have elephant feed on hand...

Now I'm going to expect it.

 

[Left Coast]

I see these claims made here everyday.

Without 100% surity that leaves unknowns/doubt

Does any one know with 100% surity that a god or god doesn't exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Does any one know with 100% surity how the universe came to.exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Does any one know with 100% surity how the life came to.exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Etc etc etc.

We can't even claim death is a 100% surity. Behold the biologically immortal jellyfish Turritopsis dohrnii

"The Immortal Jellyfish known scientifically as Turritopsis dohrnii is now officially known as the only immortal creature. The secret to eternal life, as it turns out, is not just living a really, really long time. It’s all about maturity, or rather, the lack of it. The immortal jellyfish (as it is better known popularly) propagate and then, faced with the normal career path of dying, they opt instead to revert to a sexually immature stage"

Immortal Jellyfish – Lifespan, Life Cycle and Facts

"The lifespan of a Greenland shark: up to 500 years. The giant barrel sponge: over 2,000 years. But the longest-living animal on planet Earth? The immortal jellyfish, a creature that can seemingly escape from death altogether"

https://www-sciencefocus-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.sciencefocus.com/nature/immortal-jellyfish/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16651171664361&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/immortal-jellyfish/

We can be reasonably confident of things without 100% certainty. I'm pretty darn sure when I throw a ball in the air, it's gonna come back down. We're not jellyfish, and to date all of us humans have eventually died. So for anyone to claim we won't is very very likely selling us snake oil.

 

[Brian2]

I see these claims made here everyday.

Without 100% surity that leaves unknowns/doubt

Does any one know with 100% surity that a god or god doesn't exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Does any one know with 100% surity how the universe came to.exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Does any one know with 100% surity how the life came to.exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Etc etc etc.

We can't even claim death is a 100% surity. Behold the biologically immortal jellyfish Turritopsis dohrnii

"The Immortal Jellyfish known scientifically as Turritopsis dohrnii is now officially known as the only immortal creature. The secret to eternal life, as it turns out, is not just living a really, really long time. It’s all about maturity, or rather, the lack of it. The immortal jellyfish (as it is better known popularly) propagate and then, faced with the normal career path of dying, they opt instead to revert to a sexually immature stage"

Immortal Jellyfish – Lifespan, Life Cycle and Facts

"The lifespan of a Greenland shark: up to 500 years. The giant barrel sponge: over 2,000 years. But the longest-living animal on planet Earth? The immortal jellyfish, a creature that can seemingly escape from death altogether"

https://www-sciencefocus-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.sciencefocus.com/nature/immortal-jellyfish/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16651171664361&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/immortal-jellyfish/

I suppose that is why we have that horrible word that many people don't like to think exists in them, faith.
Many people say we have evidence and then we believe, and that is true for most things, but some things we cannot be sure of, and these happen to be what God said that He did. Create everything and give life.
Some people say that all the evidence for life is that it is a by product of biology, matter, but of course that is the only evidence that is seen in science and accepted because it can be tested by science.

 

[Brian2]

We can be reasonably confident of things without 100% certainty. I'm pretty darn sure when I throw a ball in the air, it's gonna come back down. We're not jellyfish, and to date all of us humans have eventually died. So for anyone to claim we won't is very very likely selling us snake oil.

Christians are confident that they will be raised from the dead because they believe Jesus was resurrected.

 

[Secret Chief]

Well, good thing I have elephant feed on hand...

Now I'm going to expect it.

What if it turns out to be a komodo dragon? Got any komodo dragon food on hand? (eg a cow)

 

[Aupmanyav]

Their snake oil does not claim that one will not die. But that after death, they will be resurrected with 'divine' bodies and live in everlasting happiness in God's kingdom with various amenities like grand mansions, gardens, 'divine' companions and drinks of which there are no equivalents on earth. You won't even have to cook your meals or wash dishes. "Divine' bodies require no clothes, so not washing too. Does God wear clothes? How does God clothe himself, silk, muslin or animal hides?

 

[PureX]

Humans do not live in the realm of surety (unless they are deluded). Humans live in the realm of probability.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I have definite 100% surety that the imagination in spite of the many pronouncements, will never produce a real God in the waking world to prove the claim. Ever.

You can't know that because that is the problem of induction. So you are no different than other dogmatic believers, you claim you are special because you are different than all other humans. You have solved the problem of induction, but nobody else has.

In fact you are quite normal, because you believe your thinking is special because you have solved what in human recorded history has never been solved.
Sorry, but I am a skeptic. For rational if we are to play that game I know that rational is not really objective, universal or true.ning overal

All knowledge is conditional on objective reality being the same for all time. But that can't be proved. It can only be assumed.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

Humans do not live in the realm of surety (unless they are deluded). Humans live in the realm of probability.

As long as objective reality remains a probability. But what is the probability of that? Well, I don't know. Do you?

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I see these claims made here everyday.

Without 100% surity that leaves unknowns/doubt

Does any one know with 100% surity that a god or god doesn't exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Does any one know with 100% surity how the universe came to.exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Does any one know with 100% surity how the life came to.exist?
-If not how can you claim anyone is wrong?

Etc etc etc.

We can't even claim death is a 100% surity. Behold the biologically immortal jellyfish Turritopsis dohrnii

"The Immortal Jellyfish known scientifically as Turritopsis dohrnii is now officially known as the only immortal creature. The secret to eternal life, as it turns out, is not just living a really, really long time. It’s all about maturity, or rather, the lack of it. The immortal jellyfish (as it is better known popularly) propagate and then, faced with the normal career path of dying, they opt instead to revert to a sexually immature stage"

Immortal Jellyfish – Lifespan, Life Cycle and Facts

"The lifespan of a Greenland shark: up to 500 years. The giant barrel sponge: over 2,000 years. But the longest-living animal on planet Earth? The immortal jellyfish, a creature that can seemingly escape from death altogether"

https://www-sciencefocus-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.sciencefocus.com/nature/immortal-jellyfish/amp/?amp_gsa=1&amp_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw==#amp_tf=From %1$s&aoh=16651171664361&referrer=https://www.google.com&ampshare=https://www.sciencefocus.com/nature/immortal-jellyfish/

It is all conditional on objective reality being orderly. So surity is conditional on that, but that is unknown in the end.

 

[PureX]

As long as objective reality remains a probability. But what is the probability of that? Well, I don't know. Do you?

My point is that we can't know. Thus, no reasonable "surety". Only reasoned estimates of probability.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

My point is that we can't know. Thus, no reasonable "surety". Only reasoned estimates of probability.

Even reasoned estimates has a limins so, because reason has a limit as long as that remains so, but if that remains is unknown.

 

[Brickjectivity]

There is 100% certainty. It means that given 100 incidents, you will get the same result 100 times. Therefore if the probability is smaller than .001% against it, then out of 100 times you can expect the result to be the same all 100 times.

There are also some situations in which .001% is too large, and so for safety sake a smaller value is chosen, a tighter constraint. In that case they won't call anything 100% certainty unless the probability against something odd happening is much lower such as .00001% chance against; but generally .001% against is pretty good and is as good as 100% certainty for most things.

You may wonder why 100? Why are percentages taken from 100 as the whole? There are several reasons. It is a large enough number to be useful, divides up into portions such as quarters, fifths, tenths. It is useful in our number system which is based on the number 10.

The only situation I can think of in which a better form of the percentile system would be useful were if instead of base 10 our numbers were base 12. In that case we could be using a different number than 100. A drawback of the 100% percentage is that it is not easily divisible by 3. Dividing by 3 we get 33.33333. This would not happen if the number were base 12, because we could pick a better number that was still about the same size as 100.

But yeah if the chance against something happen is small then you have 100% certainty. It isn't 1000% certainty, but its quite good certainty.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

There is 100% certainty. It means that given 100 incidents, you will get the same result 100 times. Therefore if the probability is smaller than .001% against it, then out of 100 times you can expect the result to be the same all 100 times.

There are also some situations in which .001% is too large, and so for safety sake a smaller value is chosen, a tighter constraint. In that case they won't call anything 100% certainty unless the probability against something odd happening is much lower such as .00001% chance against; but generally .001% against is pretty good and is as good as 100% certainty for most things.

You may wonder why 100? Why are percentages taken from 100 as the whole? There are several reasons. It is a large enough number to be useful, divides up into portions such as quarters, fifths, tenths. It is useful in our number system which is based on the number 10.

The only situation I can think of in which a better form of the percentile system would be useful were if instead of base 10 our numbers were base 12. In that case we could be using a different number than 100. A drawback of the 100% percentage is that it is not easily divisible by 3. Dividing by 3 we get 33.33333. This would not happen if the number were base 12, because we could pick a better number that was still about the same size as 100.

But yeah if the chance against something happen is small then you have 100% certainty. It isn't 1000% certainty, but its quite good certainty.

As friendly as I can put. That only holds in a localized sense. I.e. that are no blacks swans. The problem is induction and it can't be proven as certain.

 

[Brickjectivity]

As friendly as I can put. That only holds in a localized sense. I.e. that are no blacks swans. The problem is induction and it can't be proven as certain.

I agree. When we get into thousands of repetitions then 100% becomes less useful. For example if you are talking about human heartbeats in a lifetime, then 100% certainty is not accurate enough. If you are 100% sure your heart will keep beating...it is not good enough. The heart beats so many times that 100% certainty does not guarantee it will keep going.

I agree, but humans must have certainty. It is how we function! 100% is good enough for most things. If you are 99% certain that is pretty close to 100% certain. 100% certainty about 1 or 2 events is essentially perfect confidence. If I tell my employer I am 100% certain that a task has been completed, then they take it to mean that the task is complete. On the other hand if I say to them I am 99% certain something is complete, then they will go and check for themselves. They won't be happy with my 99% answer.

 

[Twilight Hue]

You can't know that because that is the problem of induction. So you are no different than other dogmatic believers, you claim you are special because you are different than all other humans. You have solved the problem of induction, but nobody else has.

In fact you are quite normal, because you believe your thinking is special because you have solved what in human recorded history has never been solved.
Sorry, but I am a skeptic. For rational if we are to play that game I know that rational is not really objective, universal or true.ning overal

All knowledge is conditional on objective reality being the same for all time. But that can't be proved. It can only be assumed.

No. Because it's already factual and consistent for thousands of years already.

Nothing happened then , nothing will happen now.

Change can't happen with imaginative thoughts aside from the thoughts being disregarded givin that was all it was from the start.

 

[mikkel_the_dane]

I agree. When we get into thousands of repetitions then 100% becomes less useful. For example if you are talking about human heartbeats in a lifetime, then 100% certainty is not accurate enough. If you are 100% sure your heart will keep beating...it is not good enough. The heart beats so many times that 100% certainty does not guarantee it will keep going.

I agree, but humans must have certainty. It is how we function! 100% is good enough for most things. If you are 99% certain that is pretty close to 100% certain. 100% certainty about 1 or 2 events is essentially perfect confidence. If I tell my employer I am 100% certain that a task has been completed, then they take it to mean that the task is complete. On the other hand if I say to them I am 99% certain something is complete, then they will go and check for themselves. They won't be happy with my 99% answer.

Okay, certainty is localized as a process between doing something or something else. So certainty is now as limited process in brains, otherwise we couldn't act, but that we act is a limited process.