"31% of White Evangelicals Say They’ll Support Trump No Matter What He Does"

[SkepticThinker]

"Anti-racism" to me is when I hear activists chanting/screaming the word "racism"
and in the next predictable breath speak of "white supremacy", "white privilege"
"whites." In other words, racial hatred more open and pronounced that anything
a modern white person is liable to say.
I saw a lot of back racism in the West Coast USA.

I'm sorry but I really can't make sense of this. Which activists are doing what you claim? And what is "black racism?"

It's not just political, it's psychological. "Feminism" is profoundly anti-feminine and
deeply male-envious. Hitler said "The Jews want war" and "the Jews are overrunning
Europe." Who was he speaking of? Same when Stalin claimed there was a plot to
kill him - who was the real plotter?

This is all over the place too.

I have no idea why you brought Hitler and Stalin into the discussion. I guess you're attempting to use them to demonize feminists or something ... ?

Also I find your claim that feminism is "deeply male-envious" to be ludicrous. Feminism is about equality. I have no idea why you think it should be about being feminine. It seems you're a little misguided on some of this stuff.

 

[PruePhillip]

I'm sorry but I really can't make sense of this. Which activists are doing what you claim? And what is "black racism?"



This is all over the place too.

I have no idea why you brought Hitler and Stalin into the discussion. I guess you're attempting to use them to demonize feminists or something ... ?

Also I find your claim that feminism is "deeply male-envious" to be ludicrous. Feminism is about equality. I have no idea why you think it should be about being feminine. It seems you're a little misguided on some of this stuff.

I use the example of Hitler and Stalin to demonstrate what Frued called "Projection"
The more extreme a person is the more they "project" their behavior and thinking
onto other people - be they right or left wing.
This is how you get repugnant "master race" statements coming from people who
clearly behave like a lesser race.

So when people chant about whit supremacy and white privilege it's normal and
good to start investigating their own racial prejudices.
Black supremacy is the inverse of white supremacy. It's starting to show its ugly
head in South Africa now. In this case you believe white people are inferior.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So why pick on a 18-24 year old woman who can fight back? Why not just
attack an 80 year old man or woman?

Are you under the impression that 80 year olds don't get raped? Or that 18 year olds are strong enough to fight someone off?

I suspect this power sentiment is just another example of one group accusing
other groups of what itself wants - in this case it's feminist power.

Actually, it's a conclusion drawn from the available data, testimony, and multiple case studies.

Please tell me that you're not trying to blame feminists for rape.


You've got some weird ideas, man.
Also, why did you ignore the vast majority of my post?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I use the example of Hitler and Stalin to demonstrate what Frued called "Projection"
The more extreme a person is the more they "project" their behavior and thinking
onto other people - be they right or left wing.
This is how you get repugnant "master race" statements coming from people who
clearly behave like a lesser race.

So when people chant about whit supremacy and white privilege it's normal and
good to start investigating their own racial prejudices.
Black supremacy is the inverse of white supremacy. It's starting to show its ugly
head in South Africa now. In this case you believe white people are inferior.

Are you trying to say that people who protest white supremacy groups are themselves racist?

 

[Augustus]

Generally speaking, it is. For the most part, rapists are motivated by the rapist's feelings and needs to dominate and control those less powerful than themselves.

Are there any scientific studies that support 'rape is about power' though? It's commonly repeated, but I've never seen any evidence behind it.

Isn't it likely to be more accurate that rape is primarily about sexual desire, and for some rapists the power aspect is a twisted component of sexual gratification. Most rapes are carried out by people who know the victim and I'd assume the sexual desire drives the rapist more than a want to dominate and control.

I might be wrong though.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Are there any scientific studies that support 'rape is about power' though? It's commonly repeated, but I've never seen any evidence behind it.

Isn't it likely to be more accurate that rape is primarily about sexual desire, and for some rapists the power aspect is a twisted component of sexual gratification. Most rapes are carried out by people who know the victim and I'd assume the sexual desire drives the rapist more than a want to dominate and control.

I might be wrong though.

A lot of what I've learned about it comes from some university courses I took, and the name of the textbook we used is eluding me now. We also watched some videos of rapist testimonials and such. I I managed to find some resources:
NCJRS Abstract - National Criminal Justice Reference Service
Sexual Assault Is About Power
https://www.who.int/violence_injury_prevention/resources/publications/en/guidelines_chap2.pdf
Why I became a sex offender and started raping women
Understanding the Perpetrator | Sexual Assault Prevention and Awareness Center

In some sense (and depending on the individual), it's kind of some mix of power, control, sexual desire, and aggression.

 

[Father Heathen]

Gotta stop dem red menace commies. Some of them even want the super-evil commie ruse of universal healthcare, a policy that originated in leftist Europe with the notorious radical socialist *checks notes* Prince-Duke Otto von Bismarck...

Whenever you hear a conservative from the U.S. use words like "socialist", "commie", etc. it's usually just used as a slur to refer to anything they don't like or understand. Even politicians right-of-center routinely have the label tossed at them. This of course means that the term is meaningless hyperbole 99% of the time you hear it.

 

[Shad]

No, that's not a problem. The US wouldn't recognise 'radical' if it hit them between the eyes.

Depends on the target and context. However at time it is a throwaway term.

 

[PruePhillip]

Are you trying to say that people who protest white supremacy groups are themselves racist?

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I don't bother with someone who would protest another group, I would
bother about people who infect their whole thinking with hate of a skin
color. When people's thinking is shot through with hate, not only for the
skin color, but the whole achievement of that race - that's serious.
And with this goes the banning of books, the pulling down of statues,
ridiculing the philosophy, shutting down opinions etc..
Anti authority, anti-white, anti-history, anti-science, anti-progress and
now a creeping antisemitism.
I challenge people, "how long before the museums get pulled down?"
Museums "COULD" be seen as bastions of "cultural appropriation"
and "racism" and "imperialism" and "empiricalism" and "elitism" and
"sexism" and "triumphant white civilizational" and etc..
Museums could become hollowed out shells of shame, portraying
white guilt. That's starting to happen already. It's the rise of a new
kind of hate.

 

[PruePhillip]

You've got some weird ideas, man.
Also, why did you ignore the vast majority of my post?

I am lost in all these posts. Which one would you like me to comment on?

 

[PruePhillip]

Are there any scientific studies that support 'rape is about power' though? It's commonly repeated, but I've never seen any evidence behind it.

Isn't it likely to be more accurate that rape is primarily about sexual desire, and for some rapists the power aspect is a twisted component of sexual gratification. Most rapes are carried out by people who know the victim and I'd assume the sexual desire drives the rapist more than a want to dominate and control.

I might be wrong though.

The concept that "rape is about power" comes from people who seek power.
Most rapes happened to young women - not so much kids or the elderly. There
are other ways to have power over people rather than raping them.
It's a tragedy - we had three young pretty girls murdered in Melbourne, by three
separate rapists. All the women were alone at night. People are WARNED about
this - but many insist it's their right to live in a dangerous manner - fair enough,
suit yourself.

nb imagine if someone said it was their "right" to not lock their car at night, and
"car stealing is about power." You know how that is going to turn out.

 

[Brickjectivity]

It’s not surprising that white evangelicals overwhelmingly support him. They don’t care about — or are willing to overlook — his affairs, scandals, inhumanity, ignorance, racism, and blatant pandering. It’s also not a shock that non-religious people and Black Protestants mostly disapprove of him.

But look at the far ends of the bars. They represent whether those groups are open to changing their minds.

I'm pretty sure that gold end bar represents the pro life portion of the evangelical voters, since they consider this to be an issue worth more than the stability of the government. The illegalization of abortion procedures is simply all they look at in many cases.

 

[sooda]

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Something that goes right to the heart of the White Evangelical mindset.

"The researchers at the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) just released their 2019 American Values Survey, and there’s one graph in particular that says so much about the state of religion in this country. It concerns how various religious groups see Donald Trump: Do they like him? And could he do anything to change their minds?

It’s not surprising that white evangelicals overwhelmingly support him. They don’t care about — or are willing to overlook — his affairs, scandals, inhumanity, ignorance, racism, and blatant pandering. It’s also not a shock that non-religious people and Black Protestants mostly disapprove of him.

But look at the far ends of the bars. They represent whether those groups are open to changing their minds.

While 75% of white evangelicals approve of Trump’s performance in office, 31% of them say there’s literally nothing he could do to lose their support. He really could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue without it making a difference to his base."
source

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How very, very sad.

 

[Milton Platt]

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Something that goes right to the heart of the White Evangelical mindset.

"The researchers at the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI) just released their 2019 American Values Survey, and there’s one graph in particular that says so much about the state of religion in this country. It concerns how various religious groups see Donald Trump: Do they like him? And could he do anything to change their minds?

It’s not surprising that white evangelicals overwhelmingly support him. They don’t care about — or are willing to overlook — his affairs, scandals, inhumanity, ignorance, racism, and blatant pandering. It’s also not a shock that non-religious people and Black Protestants mostly disapprove of him.

But look at the far ends of the bars. They represent whether those groups are open to changing their minds.

While 75% of white evangelicals approve of Trump’s performance in office, 31% of them say there’s literally nothing he could do to lose their support. He really could shoot someone on Fifth Avenue without it making a difference to his base."
source

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Well, Trump is not likely to approach the level of cruelty and death-dealing that their god has, so shouldn't be a surprise, I guess.

 

[SkepticThinker]

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I don't bother with someone who would protest another group, I would
bother about people who infect their whole thinking with hate of a skin
color. When people's thinking is shot through with hate, not only for the
skin color, but the whole achievement of that race - that's serious.
And with this goes the banning of books, the pulling down of statues,
ridiculing the philosophy, shutting down opinions etc..
Anti authority, anti-white, anti-history, anti-science, anti-progress and
now a creeping antisemitism.
I challenge people, "how long before the museums get pulled down?"
Museums "COULD" be seen as bastions of "cultural appropriation"
and "racism" and "imperialism" and "empiricalism" and "elitism" and
"sexism" and "triumphant white civilizational" and etc..
Museums could become hollowed out shells of shame, portraying
white guilt. That's starting to happen already. It's the rise of a new
kind of hate.

Is there somewhere that this is happening?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I am lost in all these posts. Which one would you like me to comment on?

The one you responded to already.

I'm just wondering why you cut it down to one sentence and ignored the vast majority of the post, when you replied.

 

[SkepticThinker]

The concept that "rape is about power" comes from people who seek power.
Most rapes happened to young women - not so much kids or the elderly. There
are other ways to have power over people rather than raping them.
It's a tragedy - we had three young pretty girls murdered in Melbourne, by three
separate rapists. All the women were alone at night. People are WARNED about
this - but many insist it's their right to live in a dangerous manner - fair enough,
suit yourself.

nb imagine if someone said it was their "right" to not lock their car at night, and
"car stealing is about power." You know how that is going to turn out.

This really is not true at all. You seriously need to do a lot more research. Maybe try reading the research that I provided above.

This is what I'm talking about. I've responded to your prior post on this with information and counter points, and here you're just repeating these inaccuracies again.

And now again, you are trying to blame the victims for their rapes. You already tried that in your last post.

If you seriously think that children and the eldlerly are not raped just as much as "young women" you have a lot to learn.

 

[PruePhillip]

This really is not true at all. You seriously need to do a lot more research. Maybe try reading the research that I provided above.

This is what I'm talking about. I've responded to your prior post on this with information and counter points, and here you're just repeating these inaccuracies again.

And now again, you are trying to blame the victims for their rapes. You already tried that in your last post.

If you seriously think that children and the eldlerly are not raped just as much as "young women" you have a lot to learn.

These girls - all young and pretty, Alone at night.
First there was Jill, then Eurydice and then Aiia.
One each year.

I am sick to death of people saying I ought to
"research" these things. Research what? That
by some twisted and tortured Political Correctness
I might learn that common sense isn't sense?
That it's all about "patriarchy" and I should hand
more of my liberties to the feminists?
SHE has the right to walk alone at night, ME, I have
no right to express an opinion about it without being
shut down, or lose my job.

Okay, let's have more "education" to stop rape.
We already have a generation here of boys who
have been silenced, feminized, traumatized and
blamed for every evil under the sun.

That will take generations and achieve what?
In the meanwhile more girls are raped and killed
at night.

So we beef up the police presence? And what,
watch every pretty girl wandering around at night
exercising her right to be alone and safe?
More girls wind up dead.

One of the girls was raped, murdered and then
sprayed with WD40 and set on fire. How do you
"educate" a man that this is wrong?

The solution is simple - women should not be
out at night on their own.

 

[PruePhillip]

The one you responded to already.

I'm just wondering why you cut it down to one sentence and ignored the vast majority of the post, when you replied.

You are asking me to trawl through all my posts? I don't have the time.
If you could copy and past your unanswered post I will try and answer.

 

[PruePhillip]

Is there somewhere that this is happening?

American campuses.