33:50

[vskipper]

O Prophet, indeed We have made lawful to you your wives to whom you have given their due compensation and those your right hand possesses from what Allah has returned to you [of captives] and the daughters of your paternal uncles and the daughters of your paternal aunts and the daughters of your maternal uncles and the daughters of your maternal aunts who emigrated with you and a believing woman if she gives herself to the Prophet [and] if the Prophet wishes to marry her, [this is] only for you, excluding the [other] believers. We certainly know what We have made obligatory upon them concerning their wives and those their right hands possess, [but this is for you] in order that there will be upon you no discomfort. And ever is Allah Forgiving and Merciful.

^ Surat Al Ahzab (33:50)

Now for those who are not overly familiar with Islam outside of anti-islamic rhetoric, there is a thing in Islam called a dowry. A set amount is agreed upon by the husband and wife to be paid to the wife upon marriage. This practice of dowry is required upon all Muslims. But, in the Qur'an there is an exception made specifically for Muhammad.

Going by the claim that the god of Islam is the same one of Judaic & Christian teachings there surely has to be another time where an exception was made for a singular individual that did not apply to the masses. If the rule of evry created thing in the universe is that it changes then Allah (Walam Yakul-La-Hu-Kufuwan ‘Ahad) must be unchanging.

If Allah is unchanging then surely there is some othr example of him making an exception to the law given at the time for someone.

Any thoughts?
(Side note: yes I am fully aware that this same topic is in another part of the forum. But, I figured perhaps this area more appropriate)

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

^ Surat Al Ahzab (33:50)

Now for those who are not overly familiar with Islam outside of anti-islamic rhetoric, there is a thing in Islam called a dowry. A set amount is agreed upon by the husband and wife to be paid to the wife upon marriage. This practice of dowry is required upon all Muslims. But, in the Qur'an there is an exception made specifically for Muhammad.

Going by the claim that the god of Islam is the same one of Judaic & Christian teachings there surely has to be another time where an exception was made for a singular individual that did not apply to the masses. If the rule of evry created thing in the universe is that it changes then Allah (Walam Yakul-La-Hu-Kufuwan ‘Ahad) must be unchanging.

If Allah is unchanging then surely there is some othr example of him making an exception to the law given at the time for someone.

Any thoughts?
(Side note: yes I am fully aware that this same topic is in another part of the forum. But, I figured perhaps this area more appropriate)

Yes your question correctly
M. right to marry any woman
It has the property of prophecy
There is no dowry and not held
The Knitter is the verse that

 

[vskipper]

Yes your question correctly
M. right to marry any woman
It has the property of prophecy
There is no dowry and not held
The Knitter is the verse that

Might want to consider rewording as your reply seems a bit disshevelled

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

There is no propaganda to Islam
Just explain and clarify
You said that the pony duty in Islam
The pony is of Eastern traditions and social norms
The Quran did not pony
But the Qur'an
Wages of sexual pleasure
And having heard of the women escaped the annual wages
These verses
Wages of fun differ from marriage dowry
I hope the amendments don't mix between social norms and Islamic legal systems
The verse speaks about
And is that all halal Ali Mohamed
And here is a man with a very special feature
Because God
He does what he pleases
And the rest you you say whatever you want
Imagine that God is the patron of marriage from Zaynab Bint jahsh
That bouncing even before announcing her divorce
Muhammad married Zainab, the wife of his adopted son Zayd
And the Quranic verse that says
Since spent more wish them-we married you it, o Messenger of God
I think the Muslim boasts manliness here
13 Add Queen-right
And if the insured woman granted to the Prophet
For this to be equal with Muhammad
They are in Paradise sskon their nymphs and boys
It is encouraging a high level of s-------al

 

[vskipper]

I think perhaps you are missing the point. I will simplify this (if I am understanding your response correctly):

If Allah is the same as the Judaic & Christian God, then explain why there is not ONE instance where God decreed a seperate law for a single individual from the law given to the rest in the entire Bible; but there is one in the Quran in 33:50

Now if you are claiming that God is not unchanging then we have another discussion to undergo

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I think perhaps you are missing the point. I will simplify this (if I am understanding your response correctly):

If Allah is the same as the Judaic & Christian God, then explain why there is not ONE instance where God decreed a seperate law for a single individual from the law given to the rest in the entire Bible; but there is one in the Quran in 33:50

Now if you are claiming that God is not unchanging then we have another discussion to undergo

God in Christianity and Judaism is different from God in Islam

 

[vskipper]

God in Christianity and Judaism is different from God in Islam

I am not disagreeing. But the claim by many is that it is the same & they even try to use the Bible to prove the Qur'an. However, having said that the issue here is not a linguistical matter & even if you believe that the Bible is corrupted the question still remains unwavering.

The Qur'an claims it is from the creator. It claims Noah, Moses, & Jesus were Muslims. Now going off these premises I will reword my inquiry once more. If there was a seperate rule for Muhammad via 33:50 then it stands to reason that it has occurred for prophets before Muhammad. That is if God is unchanging in character.

But, to the best of my knowledge there is not a singular instance of such an exception (outside of Muhammad) in the Pentauch, the entire Torah, the Gospels, and or the Qur'an

 

[vskipper]

Recently when contacting the local Islamic center I received this response:

AsSalaamu alaykum, Jazaakillaahu khayran for the question. I have tried to understand what is being said as best I can. First of all, the "scriptures' that anyone learns about "Yahweh" , ie the Bible, that is referred to is, by the admission of Bible scholars themselves, not the True, Unchanged, word of God. So, there is no comparing what anyone finds in the Bible, man made, altered, writings and maybe some remnants of original scriptures, to the Divinely Revealed , 100 percent, authentic , unchanged scripture of the Quraan, and the authentic Hadeeths. Allaah in Islaam, the Eternal Almighty Creator is notat all as described by distorted writings found in Christianity. (ie, A man who wrestled with Jacob, repented about what He had done, etc. this is blasphemous, hideous to describe Allaah as such). So, Allaah is the Same One and only Almighty Creator , and revealer of the original TRUE scriptures, Tawrah and Injeel, etc. , not the Bible.


Everything that Allaah does is perfect and perfectly wise and flawless. "He is not questioned about what He does; but they (the people) shall be questioned." (21:23)

There are many things that were only legislated for Prophet Muhammad, peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him. (ie, tahajjud was obligatory upon him, but not on anyone else). You can find writings, books, etc. on this subject. And we know that the Quraan tells us that Jesus, peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him, came to Bani Israeel and released them from some of the burdens that they had imposed on themselves. Moses, peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him, had things that were specific to him, ie... he fasted 30, then ten more days, when he got the Tawrah, etc. Others didn't fast, etc.

No one should ever let such a simple misunderstanding such as this cause them to deny Allaah's perfect way of life which He has prescribed for them, which is all good, and Mercy and Guidance for all mankind, salvation in this life and the next.

I hope that this helps. Wa salaamu alaykum

,

A. Note how he starts out by disregarding the Bible
B. Note how the exception for Muhammad is never denied
C. While claiming that there were other examples for other prophets no scriptures were provided

Finally I find it really convenient that many want to use the Bible for d'ua but, when something like this is brought up the Bible is tossed in whole out the window.

Now if one of the Muslims here wants to show an exception to the law for any prophet other than Muhammad go ahead. But it seems only fair to have some kind of scriptural backing

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

What you want to say
The attributes of God in the Qur'an
Different attributes of God in the Torah and the Gospel
In the Qur'an
God is Foxy
In the Qur'an
God forgets
In the Qur'an
God offers women in Paradise gift for believers

Permission
The gods do not know Christianity

 

[vskipper]

Just had a thought after much review & contemplation. Oneanswer, the others & myself have all been wrong. 33:50 is NEITHER an exception or seperate law but a restriction. Marriage is allowed with freer permits than most but no divorce.

This, of course, would make Muhammad more selective. This could have been Gd wanting to prevent the corruption & downfall that came to Solomon & others.

 

[Harikrish]

No one dared to question the prophet Mohammad because he claimed his recitations came directly from the Angel Gabriel. To question him was to question God and that was blasphemy punishable by death.

But with time the Muslims liked what he was doing like marrying girls at 6 and the many ways he disposed off his enemies and found divine justification for his actions.
That is why Muslims pray 5 times a day. The harder they pray the close the answer will be to what they prayed for. Why would anyone pray if the answer they got was never what they were praying for?

 

[RAYYAN]

^ Surat Al Ahzab (33:50)

Now for those who are not overly familiar with Islam outside of anti-islamic rhetoric, there is a thing in Islam called a dowry. A set amount is agreed upon by the husband and wife to be paid to the wife upon marriage. This practice of dowry is required upon all Muslims. But, in the Qur'an there is an exception made specifically for Muhammad.

Where is the exception that was made for the Prophet PBUH? I don't see it in the verse

 

[Harikrish]

^ Surat Al Ahzab (33:50)

Now for those who are not overly familiar with Islam outside of anti-islamic rhetoric, there is a thing in Islam called a dowry. A set amount is agreed upon by the husband and wife to be paid to the wife upon marriage. This practice of dowry is required upon all Muslims. But, in the Qur'an there is an exception made specifically for Muhammad.

Going by the claim that the god of Islam is the same one of Judaic & Christian teachings there surely has to be another time where an exception was made for a singular individual that did not apply to the masses. If the rule of evry created thing in the universe is that it changes then Allah (Walam Yakul-La-Hu-Kufuwan ‘Ahad) must be unchanging.

If Allah is unchanging then surely there is some othr example of him making an exception to the law given at the time for someone.

Any thoughts?
(Side note: yes I am fully aware that this same topic is in another part of the forum. But, I figured perhaps this area more appropriate)

The exception made here is not about the dowry but that the prophet Mohammad is not limited to 4 wives. He can have as many and of many different kinds as he wished because that has been decreed by Allah. The prophet Mohammad was not only the messenger from God, he was also the beneficiary as well.

 

[RAYYAN]

The exception made here is not about the dowry but that the prophet Mohammad is not limited to 4 wives. He can have as many and ofmany different kinds as we wished because that has been decreed by Allah. The prophet Mohammad was not only the messenger from God, he was also the beneficiary as well.

WRONG as usual
but thanks for trying

 

[Harikrish]

WRONG as usual
but thanks for trying

Please read your Quran.

(50) (33:50) O Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whose bridal dues you have paid, *87 and the slave-girls you possess from among the prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and maternal aunts who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom he wants to take in marriage. *88 (O Prophet), this privilege is yours alone to the exclusion of other believers. *89 We know well what restrictions We have imposed upon them as regards their wives and those whom their right hands possess, (and have exempted you from those restrictions) that there may be no constraint upon you. *90 Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

 

[FearGod]

Please read your Quran.

(50) (33:50) O Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whose bridal dues you have paid, *87 and the slave-girls you possess from among the prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and maternal aunts who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom he wants to take in marriage. *88 (O Prophet), this privilege is yours alone to the exclusion of other believers. *89 We know well what restrictions We have imposed upon them as regards their wives and those whom their right hands possess, (and have exempted you from those restrictions) that there may be no constraint upon you. *90 Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Actually people in the era of Jahiliyyah were able to have unlimited number of women, women were sold in the market as goods, girls were buried alife, no value for women, so women wasn't that special in that era.

Prophet Muhammed was well known as a decent man, he spent his teen ages with a woman older than him and the rest of his life in the battle field.

 

[RAYYAN]

Please read your Quran.

(50) (33:50) O Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whose bridal dues you have paid, *87 and the slave-girls you possess from among the prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and maternal aunts who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom he wants to take in marriage. *88 (O Prophet), this privilege is yours alone to the exclusion of other believers. *89 We know well what restrictions We have imposed upon them as regards their wives and those whom their right hands possess, (and have exempted you from those restrictions) that there may be no constraint upon you. *90 Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

Where is the verse (50)(33:50) means nothing

 

[Harikrish]

Where is the verse (50)(33:50) means nothing

Are you not familiar with Surat Al-Ahzab (33:50). Aya 50.

 

[RAYYAN]

Are you not familiar with Surat Al-Ahzab (33:50). Aya 50.

HHhm no,
That is not what the verse says

 

[Harikrish]

HHhm no,
That is not what the verse says

That is what the verse says.

يٰۤاَيُّهَا النَّبِىُّ اِنَّاۤ اَحۡلَلۡنَا لَـكَ اَزۡوَاجَكَ الّٰتِىۡۤ اٰتَيۡتَ اُجُوۡرَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَـكَتۡ يَمِيۡنُكَ مِمَّاۤ اَفَآءَ اللّٰهُ عَلَيۡكَ وَبَنٰتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنٰتِ عَمّٰتِكَ وَبَنٰتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنٰتِ خٰلٰتِكَ الّٰتِىۡ هَاجَرۡنَ مَعَكَ وَامۡرَاَةً مُّؤۡمِنَةً اِنۡ وَّهَبَتۡ نَفۡسَهَا لِلنَّبِىِّ اِنۡ اَرَادَ النَّبِىُّ اَنۡ يَّسۡتَـنۡكِحَهَا خَالِصَةً لَّـكَ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ الۡمُؤۡمِنِيۡنَ ؕ قَدۡ عَلِمۡنَا مَا فَرَضۡنَا عَلَيۡهِمۡ فِىۡۤ اَزۡوَاجِهِمۡ وَمَا مَلَـكَتۡ اَيۡمَانُهُمۡ لِكَيۡلَا يَكُوۡنَ عَلَيۡكَ حَرَجٌ ؕ وَكَانَ اللّٰهُ غَفُوۡرًا رَّحِيۡمًا‏ ﴿33:50﴾
(33:50) O Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whose bridal dues you have paid,87 and the slave-girls you possess from among the prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and maternal aunts who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom he wants to take in marriage.88 (O Prophet), this privilege is yours alone to the exclusion of other believers.89 We know well what restrictions We have imposed upon them as regards their wives and those whom their right hands possess, (and have exempted you from those restrictions) that there may be no constraint upon you.90 Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.