33:50

[RAYYAN]

That is what the verse says.

يٰۤاَيُّهَا النَّبِىُّ اِنَّاۤ اَحۡلَلۡنَا لَـكَ اَزۡوَاجَكَ الّٰتِىۡۤ اٰتَيۡتَ اُجُوۡرَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَـكَتۡ يَمِيۡنُكَ مِمَّاۤ اَفَآءَ اللّٰهُ عَلَيۡكَ وَبَنٰتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنٰتِ عَمّٰتِكَ وَبَنٰتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنٰتِ خٰلٰتِكَ الّٰتِىۡ هَاجَرۡنَ مَعَكَ وَامۡرَاَةً مُّؤۡمِنَةً اِنۡ وَّهَبَتۡ نَفۡسَهَا لِلنَّبِىِّ اِنۡ اَرَادَ النَّبِىُّ اَنۡ يَّسۡتَـنۡكِحَهَا خَالِصَةً لَّـكَ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ الۡمُؤۡمِنِيۡنَ ؕ قَدۡ عَلِمۡنَا مَا فَرَضۡنَا عَلَيۡهِمۡ فِىۡۤ اَزۡوَاجِهِمۡ وَمَا مَلَـكَتۡ اَيۡمَانُهُمۡ لِكَيۡلَا يَكُوۡنَ عَلَيۡكَ حَرَجٌ ؕ وَكَانَ اللّٰهُ غَفُوۡرًا رَّحِيۡمًا‏ ﴿33:50﴾
(33:50) O Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whose bridal dues you have paid,87 and the slave-girls you possess from among the prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and maternal aunts who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom he wants to take in marriage.88 (O Prophet), this privilege is yours alone to the exclusion of other believers.89 We know well what restrictions We have imposed upon them as regards their wives and those whom their right hands possess, (and have exempted you from those restrictions) that there may be no constraint upon you.90 Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

I got the verse, but the permission is for every one not only for the prophet

 

[Harikrish]

I got the verse, but the permission is for every one not only for the prophet

Which translation are you struggling with. Read the bold underlined text.

يٰۤاَيُّهَا النَّبِىُّ اِنَّاۤ اَحۡلَلۡنَا لَـكَ اَزۡوَاجَكَ الّٰتِىۡۤ اٰتَيۡتَ اُجُوۡرَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَـكَتۡ يَمِيۡنُكَ مِمَّاۤ اَفَآءَ اللّٰهُ عَلَيۡكَ وَبَنٰتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنٰتِ عَمّٰتِكَ وَبَنٰتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنٰتِ خٰلٰتِكَ الّٰتِىۡ هَاجَرۡنَ مَعَكَ وَامۡرَاَةً مُّؤۡمِنَةً اِنۡ وَّهَبَتۡ نَفۡسَهَا لِلنَّبِىِّ اِنۡ اَرَادَ النَّبِىُّ اَنۡ يَّسۡتَـنۡكِحَهَا خَالِصَةً لَّـكَ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ الۡمُؤۡمِنِيۡنَ ؕ قَدۡ عَلِمۡنَا مَا فَرَضۡنَا عَلَيۡهِمۡ فِىۡۤ اَزۡوَاجِهِمۡ وَمَا مَلَـكَتۡ اَيۡمَانُهُمۡ لِكَيۡلَا يَكُوۡنَ عَلَيۡكَ حَرَجٌ ؕ وَكَانَ اللّٰهُ غَفُوۡرًا رَّحِيۡمًا‏ ﴿33:50﴾
(33:50) O Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whose bridal dues you have paid,87 and the slave-girls you possess from among the prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and maternal aunts who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom he wants to take in marriage.88 (O Prophet), this privilege is yours alone to the exclusion of other believers.89 We know well what restrictions We have imposed upon them as regards their wives and those whom their right hands possess, (and have exempted you from those restrictions) that there may be no constraint upon you.90 Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

 

[RAYYAN]

Which translation are you struggling with. Read the bold underlined text.

يٰۤاَيُّهَا النَّبِىُّ اِنَّاۤ اَحۡلَلۡنَا لَـكَ اَزۡوَاجَكَ الّٰتِىۡۤ اٰتَيۡتَ اُجُوۡرَهُنَّ وَمَا مَلَـكَتۡ يَمِيۡنُكَ مِمَّاۤ اَفَآءَ اللّٰهُ عَلَيۡكَ وَبَنٰتِ عَمِّكَ وَبَنٰتِ عَمّٰتِكَ وَبَنٰتِ خَالِكَ وَبَنٰتِ خٰلٰتِكَ الّٰتِىۡ هَاجَرۡنَ مَعَكَ وَامۡرَاَةً مُّؤۡمِنَةً اِنۡ وَّهَبَتۡ نَفۡسَهَا لِلنَّبِىِّ اِنۡ اَرَادَ النَّبِىُّ اَنۡ يَّسۡتَـنۡكِحَهَا خَالِصَةً لَّـكَ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ الۡمُؤۡمِنِيۡنَ ؕ قَدۡ عَلِمۡنَا مَا فَرَضۡنَا عَلَيۡهِمۡ فِىۡۤ اَزۡوَاجِهِمۡ وَمَا مَلَـكَتۡ اَيۡمَانُهُمۡ لِكَيۡلَا يَكُوۡنَ عَلَيۡكَ حَرَجٌ ؕ وَكَانَ اللّٰهُ غَفُوۡرًا رَّحِيۡمًا‏ ﴿33:50﴾
(33:50) O Prophet, We have made lawful for you your wives whose bridal dues you have paid,87 and the slave-girls you possess from among the prisoners of war, and the daughters of your paternal uncles and paternal aunts, and the daughters of your maternal uncles and maternal aunts who have migrated with you, and a believing woman who gives herself to the Prophet and whom he wants to take in marriage.88 (O Prophet), this privilege is yours alone to the exclusion of other believers.89 We know well what restrictions We have imposed upon them as regards their wives and those whom their right hands possess, (and have exempted you from those restrictions) that there may be no constraint upon you.90 Allah is Most Forgiving, Most Merciful.

I apologize, I see it now
So what is the problem with this?

 

[Harikrish]

I apologize, I see it now
So what is the problem with this?

Just your understanding of the verses.

 

[RAYYAN]

Just your understand of the verses.

so, that is not a problem, I understand it very well

 

[Harikrish]

Just your understanding of the verses.

Here is what your understanding of the verse 33:50 was.

You write: "I got the verse, but the permission is for every one not only for the prophet."

Which is quite the opposite because only the prophet is given the exemption.

I am putting you down as one of the illiterate Muslims the ISIS should deal with.

 

[RAYYAN]

Here is what your understanding of the verse 33:50 was.

You write: "I got the verse, but the permission is for every one not only for the prophet."

Which is quite the opposite because only the prophet is given the exemption.

I am putting you down as one of the illiterate Muslims the ISIS should deal with.

oh, really
and who are you?

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

I got the verse, but the permission is for every one not only for the prophet

Youdon't you knowIslamknowinterpretation
This versein particularMohamed
It is allowed to have sex with all these women
It isespecially inMohammedonly
Ystenkhwomenas he pleases
Masha Allah

 

[Woodrow LI]

I apologize, I see it now
So what is the problem with this?

as Salaamu Alaikum wa Ramatullahi wa Baraktuhu

I find that many non-Muslim seem to have the concept that the Qur'an is a set of Commands and each ayyat is to be taken alone. The result is it is nearly impossible for a non-Muslim to underatand that the Qur'an is 114 seperate books, each with a specific message. An ayyat can not be taken alone and understood. To understand one must know the reasons a Surah was given and the goal of the Surah, from there one needs to examine how an individual ayyat relates to the message of the Surah

A tool that helps is to study the available Tafsir

Surah al-Ahzab is very complex and was revealed at a time of great hardships on the Sahabah.

To avoid confusion I am going to Quote from the Tafsir of Maududi

Period of Revelation

The Surah discusses three important events which are: the Battle of the Trench (or Al-Ahzab: the Clans), which took place in Shawwal, A. H. 5; the raid on Bani Quraizah, which was made in Dhil-Qa'dah, A. H. 5; and the Holy Prophet's marriage with Hadrat Zainab, which also was contracted in Dhil-Qa'dah, A. H. 5. These historical events accurately determine the period of the revelation of this Surah.

The Marriage of Hadrat Zainab became the subject of many lies against Muhammad(saws) and Islam and even against Allaah(swt) It was a very trying time.

Storm of Propaganda at the Marriage of Hadrat Zainab

As soon as the marriage was contracted, there arose a storm of propaganda against the Holy Prophet. The polytheists, the hypocrites and the Jews, all were burning with jealousy at his triumphs which followed one after the other. The way they had been humbled within two years after Uhud, in the Battle of the Trench, and in the affair of the Quraizah, had made them sore at heart. They had also lost hope that they could ever subdue him on the battlefield. Therefore, they seized the question of this marriage as a god send for themselves and thought they would put an end to his moral superiority, which was the real secret of his power and success. Therefore, stories were concocted that Muhammad, God forbid, had fallen in love with his daughter-in-law, and when the son had come to know of this, he divorced his wife, and the father married his daughter-in-law. The propaganda, however, was absurd on the face of it. Hadrat Zainab was the Holy Prophet's first cousin. He had known her from childhood to youth. So, there could be no question of his falling in love with her at first sight. Then he himself had arranged her marriage with Hadrat Zaid under his personal influence, although her whole family had opposed it. They did not like that a daughter of the noble Quraish should be given in marriage to a freed slave. Hadrat Zainab herself was not happy at this arrangement. But everyone had to submit to the Holy Prophet's command. The marriage was solemnized and a precedent was set in Arabia that Islam had raised a freed slave to the status of the Qurai****e nobility. If the Holy Prophet had in reality any desire for Hadrat Zainab, there was no need of marrying her to Hadrat Zaid; he himself could have married her. But in spite of all this, the shameless opponents invented stories of love, spread them with great exaggeration and publicized them so vehemently that even some Muslims also began to accept them as true.

It was a very difficult time. To understand what the Qur'an is telling us we can not simply read ayyat 50 at a minimum we must read ayyat 36-55 that gives us more insight into the events.

Verses 36-48 deal with the Holy Prophet's marriage with Hadrat Zainab. In this section the opponents' objection about this marriage have been answered; the doubts that were being created in the minds of the Muslims have been removed; the Muslims have been acquainted with the Holy Prophet's position and status; and the Holy Prophet himself has been counseled to exercise patience on the false propaganda of the disbelievers and the hypocrites.

In verse 49 a clause of the law of divorce has been laid down. This is a unique verse which was sent down on some occasion probably in connection with the same events.

In verses 50-52 a special regulation of marriage has been laid down for the Holy Prophet, which points out that he is an exception to the several restrictions that have been imposed on the other Muslims in regard to marital life.

In verses 53-55 the second step was taken towards social reform. It consists of the following injunctions: Restriction on the other men to visit the houses of the Holy Prophet's wives; Islamic etiquette concerning visits and invitations; the law that only the near relatives could visit the holy wives in their houses; as for the other men, they could speak to or ask them a thing from behind a curtain; the injunction that the Holy Prophet's wives were forbidden for the Muslims like their mothers; and none could marry any of them after him.

For the Tafsir I Quoted SOURCE

I am not knowledgeable to give any Tafsir, but my personal opinion of this it is not that an exception was made for Muhammad(saws) but a command he was forbidden to divorce his wives as the needed special protection as having once been married to him, they would not be eligible for remarriage. They required more protection than other women, as a result Muhammad(saws) was forbidden to divorce them after the surah limiting wives to 4 was revealed. Notice that after the revelation was given he did not take additional wives. But the wives he had he was forbidden to divorce. Just my opinion Astagfirullah

 

[Harikrish]

as Salaamu Alaikum wa Ramatullahi wa Baraktuhu

I find that many non-Muslim seem to have the concept that the Qur'an is a set of Commands and each ayyat is to be taken alone. The result is it is nearly impossible for a non-Muslim to underatand that the Qur'an is 114 seperate books, each with a specific message. An ayyat can not be taken alone and understood. To understand one must know the reasons a Surah was given and the goal of the Surah, from there one needs to examine how an individual ayyat relates to the message of the Surah

A tool that helps is to study the available Tafsir

Surah al-Ahzab is very complex and was revealed at a time of great hardships on the Sahabah.

To avoid confusion I am going to Quote from the Tafsir of Maududi



The Marriage of Hadrat Zainab became the subject of many lies against Muhammad(saws) and Islam and even against Allaah(swt) It was a very trying time.



It was a very difficult time. To understand what the Qur'an is telling us we can not simply read ayyat 50 at a minimum we must read ayyat 36-55 that gives us more insight into the events.



For the Tafsir I Quoted SOURCE

I am not knowledgeable to give any Tafsir, but my personal opinion of this it is not that an exception was made for Muhammad(saws) but a command he was forbidden to divorce his wives as the needed special protection as having once been married to him, they would not be eligible for remarriage. They required more protection than other women, as a result Muhammad(saws) was forbidden to divorce them after the surah limiting wives to 4 was revealed. Notice that after the revelation was given he did not take additional wives. But the wives he had he was forbidden to divorce. Just my opinion Astagfirullah

The problem Muslims have is picking the right Tafsir for the verses.

Here is the Tafsir that makes the exception for the prophet.

*87) This, in fact, is an answer to the objection of the people who said that Muhammad (upon whom be Allah's peace)forbade others to keep more than four wives at a time but had himself taken a fifth wife. This objection was raised because at the time the Holy Prophet married Hadrat Zainab, he already had four wives with him: 11) Hadrat Saudah whom he had married in the 3rd year before the Hijrah, (2) Hadrat 'A'ishah whom he married in the 3rd year before the Hijrah but who came to live with him in Shawwal, A.H. I, (3) Hadrat Hafsah whom he married in Sha'ban, A.H. 3, and (4) Hadrat Umm Salamah whom he married in Shawwal. A.H. 4. Thus, Hadrat Zainab was his fifth wife. Here Allah has answered the objection of the disbelievers and the hypocrites, as if to say, 'O Prophet, We have made lawful for you aII these five wives whom you have married by giving them their dowers." In other words, the answer means this: "It is We Who have imposed the restriction of four wives on others, and it is also We Ourselves Who have made Our Prophet an exception to the restriction. When We could impose the restriction, We could also make the exception."
About this answer also one should note that it was not meant to satisfy the disbelievers and the hypocrites but those Muslims to whom the opponents of Islam were trying to impart evil suggestions. Since they believed that the Qur'an is Allah's speech and has been sent down in Allah's own words, Allah declared through a clear and decisive verse that the Prophet had not made himself an exception from the general law about four wives of his own accord, but the exception in regard to him had been decreed by Allah.
*88) Besides making the fifth wife lawful for the Prophet, Allah in this verse also granted him the permission to marry a few other kinds of the women:

 

[RAYYAN]

Youdon't you knowIslamknowinterpretation
This versein particularMohamed
It is allowed to have sex with all these women
It isespecially inMohammedonly
Ystenkhwomenas he pleases
Masha Allah

SPACEBARISTHEBIGKEY

 

[Harikrish]

Youdon't you knowIslamknowinterpretation
This versein particularMohamed
It is allowed to have sex with all these women
It isespecially inMohammedonly
Ystenkhwomenas he pleases
Masha Allah

It reads like a translation of an illiterate Arab dictating to another Arab scribe who is doing the writing. Now why is it so difficult to read and where have we seen this happen before? With 800 million illiterate Muslims it could be anyone.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

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Wonderful thing you know tha t Mohamedhad a number of women
The question remains
Do you think that the Prophet correct marry his daughter-in-law Zaynab Bint jahs had option the adoptive son Zaid's wife
And Zeinab is the daughter of his uncle Mohammed
Do you think that these creations a prophet sent from God
Do you believe that God created us to live like beasts sex
Do you know that sex is a divine punishment
And are not acceptable to God grant
I thank you because you know these things about the unashamedly say Muhammad
For he is a prophet, that sex with women it halal
Leave the minds and I won't impose sentences on Muhammad
Only if I told that lustful and sexy man (kwait) me
Man in this specific ationis not satisfy man sex
So where is his
Do different pagan religions DIN Mohammad
No tknow boundariesin sex
And again I leave the human brains to decide its verdict of Mohammed
I forgot to say
You didn't mentionus
Would you marry a womans lainethically acceptable
Mohammed killed Jewish and married his wife on the same day
Do you believe in the Prophet
It does not carry any of he qualities of morality
This is my rulingony our Prophet this

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Not saying Muslims are ignorant Muslims know that Muhammad married safiyy ah
But they don't put their conscience in balance
Because they say that the Prophet sender and that the word of God
And all of this intellectual washing
Or satanic blindnesson their minds
When the ethicsin the balance o f morality entirely ends Mohammed
When the Prophet in such nationality, that his followers also have the same sexual orientation
Therefore, we believe that the value of women in Islamic societies are for the purpose of satisfying a man sexually
The originalauthors
Permission to publish good morals are human refuse Muhammad and Muhammad morals

 

[Harikrish]

The reason Muslim men are allowed to have several wives is because Muslim women have to cover their faces. Since the men cannot see what they are picking, disappointment is quite common. Hence they are given many more chances to get the right women.

But this is not a problem with young Muslim girls under 6 who are not required to cover their faces. The Muslim men can see what they are marrying and there is little room for unpleasant surprises. More Muslim men are picking these child brides which is creating a surplus of unwanted Muslim women no Muslim wants to marry. Many are secretly turning to prostitution or better known as temporary contracts

 

[Al-Fatihah]

^ Surat Al Ahzab (33:50)

Now for those who are not overly familiar with Islam outside of anti-islamic rhetoric, there is a thing in Islam called a dowry. A set amount is agreed upon by the husband and wife to be paid to the wife upon marriage. This practice of dowry is required upon all Muslims. But, in the Qur'an there is an exception made specifically for Muhammad.

Going by the claim that the god of Islam is the same one of Judaic & Christian teachings there surely has to be another time where an exception was made for a singular individual that did not apply to the masses. If the rule of evry created thing in the universe is that it changes then Allah (Walam Yakul-La-Hu-Kufuwan ‘Ahad) must be unchanging.

If Allah is unchanging then surely there is some othr example of him making an exception to the law given at the time for someone.

Any thoughts?
(Side note: yes I am fully aware that this same topic is in another part of the forum. But, I figured perhaps this area more appropriate)

Response: The verse does not exclude the Prophet of giving dowry, as the verse clearly says they are lawful if they receive due compensation. The verse refers to the Prophet being able to marry more than 4 wives at a time. However, there are those who do interpret the verse to mean that the dowry is excluded for the Prophet.

Regardless, Allah does as He pleases and does not contradict Himself. As He is Lord over all creation and has authority to do so and sets the rules and standards. Therefore, since nothing in the Qur'an or Sunnah says that Allah must give or must be changing or unchanging, then the logic that Allah surely has given an exception to other individuals is invalid. Additionally, since Allah has raised many prophets, which means that the masses are not Prophets, then this alone shows how Allah makes exceptions. Thus Prophet hood itself answers the question as to whether Allah makes exceptions for selective individuals, thus begging the question in the first place.

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

Response: The verse does not exclude the Prophet of giving dowry, as the verse clearly says they are lawful if they receive due compensation. The verse refers to the Prophet being able to marry more than 4 wives at a time. However, there are those who do interpret the verse to mean that the dowry is excluded for the Prophet.

Regardless, Allah does as He pleases and does not contradict Himself. As He is Lord over all creation and has authority to do so and sets the rules and standards. Therefore, since nothing in the Qur'an or Sunnah says that Allah must give or must be changing or unchanging, then the logic that Allah surely has given an exception to other individuals is invalid. Additionally, since Allah has raised many prophets, which means that the masses are not Prophets, then this alone shows how Allah makes exceptions. Thus Prophet hood itself answers the question as to whether Allah makes exceptions for selective individuals, thus begging the question in the first place.

What is the meaning ofystnkhaha??????!?
Why is this???Because the Prophet?!?
Do you think thatthe Prophethavesexuallustmore thannormal human??!?
And when God loves human allows him to have sex with these women?!?
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You and your sons and daughters, your turbans and humor girls girls


Khalatk who emigrate with you and locked the woman, endowed with the same Prophet Prophet wanted to ystnkhaha pure without believers

 

[mahasn ebn sawresho]

The wordystnkhahacomes fromthe word****-.
Ystnkhahameans thatthe sexwith her
Marriage is at its origin sex
This is one of the most importantgoals ofmarriage
But if you think that ystnkhaha in the sense that places it as a masterpiece in his tent, home?!?!?

 

[Harikrish]

Response: The verse does not exclude the Prophet of giving dowry, as the verse clearly says they are lawful if they receive due compensation. The verse refers to the Prophet being able to marry more than 4 wives at a time. However, there are those who do interpret the verse to mean that the dowry is excluded for the Prophet.

Regardless, Allah does as He pleases and does not contradict Himself. As He is Lord over all creation and has authority to do so and sets the rules and standards. Therefore, since nothing in the Qur'an or Sunnah says that Allah must give or must be changing or unchanging, then the logic that Allah surely has given an exception to other individuals is invalid. Additionally, since Allah has raised many prophets, which means that the masses are not Prophets, then this alone shows how Allah makes exceptions. Thus Prophet hood itself answers the question as to whether Allah makes exceptions for selective individuals, thus begging the question in the first place.

But we aren't judging the actions of Allah. We are asking why exceptions were made for the prophet Mohammad to marry more than 4wives. It was the prophets actions that violated the law....most only point to the justification for his actions. Clearly the prophet made himself above the law. Just like he did by introducing child marriage in Islam by marrying Aisha who was only 6 years old when he pursued her.