OK this comes from another thread that I commented on, but it appies here as well.
Quote From: Mickial
Flame you offer stimulating reasonabl debate , I honor that. Virtually all scientist accept the Big Bang theory which states the entire universe came into existence at a particular point in time when all of the galaxies, stars and plantes were formed, you are correct there.
First off, you have just shown very clearly by the above statement that you either do not understand/know/comprehend what astronomers, not astrologers (by the may do you no the difference) theory of the Big Bang actually states! If you understood it you would not have made such an oversimplified statement or assumption. Speaking of assuming, you do know what you make of yourself when you do so don’t you?
Someone answered you original quote saying something like their background was not in Astronomy. But from reading their post the obviously know a great deal more about genetics than I do and from your response to their statements a Hell of a lot more than you know about the subject. As I said I cannot speak to the genetics side of this thread, but to the Astronomy side of things I certainly can! Considering I have studied and learned as much on the subjects of science, physics and Astronomy for over 45 years now (I’m actually 56). First off Galaxies, Stars and Planets (not plantes) did not magically come into existence at the moment of the Big Bang; neither did atoms of elements of Hydrogen and Helium. Only elemental particles that make up atoms came out of the Big Bang! It was several Million (with an M) years before the temperature of the expanding space became cool enough for matter as we know it to exist (the elements H & He) and it wasn’t until that time that Stars and Galaxies could even exist. Let me stop here for a moment and ask you a question. Do you have a clue as to how all of the elements heavier than H & He on the periodic table were formed and come from and don’t say God made them, because that’s not what I’m asking? The Physics of how they came into being. OK I’ll go ahead and give you the simple version “at the core of stars” by the process of Nuclear Fusion. Now that being said do you know what fusion is? OK the simple version again just for you. At the center of a star lighter elements are fused together to form heavier elements and in the process energy is release, up to the formation of the element Iron. With each step, lighter element to next heaviest, more and more energy (in the case in the form of pressure and heat) is required to set off the fusion process and more and more is released as well up to Iron. Once a star starts producing Iron at it core it days/years are numbered. Because a star is a constant battle between gravity trying to crush all the mass of the star in on itself and the energy produced at the stars core from fusion creating heat and outward pressure. See where I’m going here? I doubt it, so here goes, simple version again, shortly after the star begins producing Iron at it core the immense gravity of it mass and the lack of pressure (from fusion of iron) causes the star to collapse on it’s self. Now I’ll stop here for a moment and review a minute, first off we have the Big Bang (everything from nothing, what a concept! Sound like God to you it does to me?), elemental particles, 75%H/25%He, stars then heavier elements from the stars core. With me so far, huh? Back to elements again, so far we have talked about all that fall on the periodic table between H and Iron. OK when a star such as I have described gets to the point of making Iron and subsequently collapses on to itself and explodes into a Super Nova that blows most of the outer layers of the star out into the surrounding space with lots and lots of energy! Not someplace you would want to be anywhere near when it happens. Now I left one key point out of my above explanation. The star’s mass when it is initially formed (how much of it the star has) determines everything about the star. Some small stars will never go past Helium or carbon and will end their live in a different fashion than the one I have described above. Among the characteristics the initial mass of the star determines is it’s surface temp, color, size, density and importantly it’s life span and how it will die. Still with me so far? Lots of mass makes a bigger, hotter, more dense star that’s color is on the Blue side of the electromagnetic spectrum or sorry do you know what that is? If not google it I’ll not try and explain that to you. The less mass the star starts out with the smaller, cooler (relatively speaking), less dense and the more shifted to the red end of the spectrum. More importantly, at least to the age of the Earth and star’s, the larger a star (more massive) starts out as the shorter it life span! The smaller the longer the life span. This goes from a few Million years for the most massive stars to 100’s of billions of years for the smallest (red Dwarf) stars. OK still with me? So the older the star the redder and smaller it is and it shines for a very long time, the larger the mass the Bluer the star appears and the faster it burns up its available fuel. Ok you say what about our sun (star). Well it set’s pretty much in the middle of it all size wise. So pretty long lived 30-50 billion years and pretty much yellow in color. Oh and too small and incapable (by a long shot) of making Iron at its core.
OK all that being said, another question for you. Do have any clue as to what our blood is a compound of? Wait for it…..Iron! Wow how surprising is that? So what does that say in general about the age of our sun (compared to the rest of the universe) and where one of the most abundant elements on the earth came from? OK I know your scratching you head and don’t have a clue what I’m talking about so I’ll tell you. All of the heavy elements on this Earth (solar system as well) came from another star that lived and died and seeded our solar system long before our sun ever came into existence! Not years not 10’s of thousands of years, not even Millions, Billions of years before our sun formed in it’s present location there was a much, much larger super giant of a star in our neighborhood lived out it’s life and died out.
Bottom line is this my friend. There is no single creation event (other than the Big Bang and by the way I think that was God’s work) where all the stars and all the galaxies were formed all at once!! Period, don’t believe me I suggest you take an Astronomy class and perhaps some simple physics as well! If you do I assure you if you do and you learn even the simplest of the laws of physics and astronomy It will open your eyes to the truth and perhaps you will stop worshipping the Bible and begin worshiping God in all his glory. Physics is mans way of learning a small fraction of God’s rules that control the universe!
