615 people have been charged in the Capitol insurrection so far

[We Never Know]

Criminal charges and their careers, jobs, etc down the drain while trump sets back still a billionaire and no worries.
I wonder how many arrested still think it was cool?


Since supporters of then-President Donald Trump swarmed the US Capitol on January 6 — forcing Congress to go into lockdown and damaging the halls of government — 615 people have been arrested and charged with crimes.

The FBI is seeking the public's help to identify people who took part in one of the most documented crimes in US history.

Capitol Riot Arrests: Updated List of Who Has Been Charged so Far

 

[Aštra’el]

“Insurrection”

 

[Stevicus]

Criminal charges and their careers, jobs, etc down the drain while trump sets back still a billionaire and no worries.
I wonder how many arrested still think it was cool?


Since supporters of then-President Donald Trump swarmed the US Capitol on January 6 — forcing Congress to go into lockdown and damaging the halls of government — 615 people have been arrested and charged with crimes.

The FBI is seeking the public's help to identify people who took part in one of the most documented crimes in US history.

Capitol Riot Arrests: Updated List of Who Has Been Charged so Far

Not a lot more can be said about this. These people were foolish or otherwise duped into doing some incredibly stupid things. They did what they did, and now they're being charged with it.

I never really saw it as an "insurrection," as that makes these people out to be bigger than they actually were.

 

[Twilight Hue]

“Insurrection”

You need an army for that.

This was more like the rioters..er protesters that the left is so fond of.

 

[SigurdReginson]

“Insurrection”

an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

Definition of INSURRECTION

Seems to fit to me. Then there's the Oxford version which you can find just by googling it.

a violent uprising against an authority or government.

What else do you call an attack by a group against a government building like this?

 

[F1fan]

Not a lot more can be said about this. These people were foolish or otherwise duped into doing some incredibly stupid things. They did what they did, and now they're being charged with it.

What I find ironic is how the right often talks about freedom and liberty, but never about being responsible citizens while enjoying that freedom and liberty. It really is like a bunch of children who haven't learned that the stove is hot, and after touching it still blame the stove for being hot.

I never really saw it as an "insurrection," as that makes these people out to be bigger than they actually were.

I really don't think they knew what they were doing, or why they were doing it, except that trump said to do it. There was no plan beyond the mayhem. If these people had gotten some members of Congress I have no idea what would have happened.

 

[We Never Know]

You need an army for that.

This was more like the rioters..er protesters that the left is so fond of.

They have many rioters that burned, looted and destroyed things on tape, social media video, etc..
They should be rounded up and charged for their crimes as well.

 

[F1fan]

You need an army for that.

This was more like the rioters..er protesters that the left is so fond of.

They needed smart people with a plan. They had neither, from the top down.

 

[Stevicus]

an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

Definition of INSURRECTION

Seems to fit to me. Then there's the Oxford version which you can find just by googling it.

a violent uprising against an authority or government.

What else do you call an attack by a group against a government building like this?

Yes, a case could certainly be made for that, although I took a look at a couple of other sources: insurrection - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

INSURRECTION | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Both definitions from these sources include the word "organized," which this certainly was not. It seemed more a spontaneous thing, with no clear indication that it had been planned or organized.

I heard some people even comparing it to the Civil War, which sounds patently ridiculous on its face.

This guy ain't Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson:

Is he going to be the next Guy Fawkes?

Another insurrectionist from history was John Brown, but this didn't come close to that either.

 

[We Never Know]

Yes, a case could certainly be made for that, although I took a look at a couple of other sources: insurrection - Dictionary Definition : Vocabulary.com

INSURRECTION | meaning in the Cambridge English Dictionary

Both definitions from these sources include the word "organized," which this certainly was not. It seemed more a spontaneous thing, with no clear indication that it had been planned or organized.

I heard some people even comparing it to the Civil War, which sounds patently ridiculous on its face.

This guy ain't Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson:

Is he going to be the next Guy Fawkes?

Another insurrectionist from history was John Brown, but this didn't come close to that either.

People discussed and planned on being there that day. That is enough to make it organized.

 

[F1fan]

People discussed and planned on being there that day. That is enough to make it organized.

It depends on what they believed would affect the certification of the votes. These folks seemed to believe that if they got inside and stopped the certification that it would help trump remain president. I could see a scenario where some of the Oath keeper guys would essentially kidnap Pelosi and hold her hostage until Biden/Harris were invalidated. Some guys had zip ties and that is the only purpose for them that I could imagine. I suspect in time we will know what the plans were.

 

[We Never Know]

It depends on what they believed would affect the certification of the votes. These folks seemed to believe that if they got inside and stopped the certification that it would help trump remain president. I could see a scenario where some of the Oath keeper guys would essentially kidnap Pelosi and hold her hostage until Biden/Harris were invalidated. Some guys had zip ties and that is the only purpose for them that I could imagine. I suspect in time we will know what the plans were.

It isn't about what they thought they could do.

People flew in, drove in to be sure to be there that day. For some it took a day or two.
It wasn't on a whim, or a last second thing, it was planned

It was planned which makes it organized.

Organize : to arrange and plan (an event or activity) : to arrange or order things so that they can be found or used easily and quickly : to put things into a particular arrangement or order. : to gather (people) into a group that will work on something.

Definition of ORGANIZE

 

[Stevicus]

What I find ironic is how the right often talks about freedom and liberty, but never about being responsible citizens while enjoying that freedom and liberty. It really is like a bunch of children who haven't learned that the stove is hot, and after touching it still blame the stove for being hot.

I think they were all worked up by Trump and his allies. For two solid months after the election, they had been hearing about "voter fraud," "fake ballots," "hacked voting machines," with claims that they had "mountains of evidence" to prove it. While they didn't come out and say it directly, there had been hints that people might consider taking things into their own hands. Some were talking about Biden's election leading to a "communist takeover" of the U.S. government. I have no doubt that many of the rioters sincerely believed that they were opposing a communist takeover of America and committing an act of "patriotism" by storming the Capitol.

I suppose they could always plead insanity.

I really don't think they knew what they were doing, or why they were doing it, except that trump said to do it. There was no plan beyond the mayhem. If these people had gotten some members of Congress I have no idea what would have happened.

I would also include many of the right-wing radio personalities who were going on and on about the election.

I'm not sure what would have happened if any of them had gotten hold of any members of Congress. Fortunately, that did not happen.

 

[Stevicus]

People discussed and planned on being there that day. That is enough to make it organized.

They discussed and planned what was originally to be a peaceful protest. The authorities knew about it in advance and tried to make preparations - just in case it got out of hand (which it obviously did). I can't recall all the details offhand, but there was talk of having the National Guard on hand, but then they decided against it. It seemed they weren't adequately prepared or properly informed about the crowd in question.

I didn't see any indication that the crowd itself was organized in any way, although it's possible there were instigators and agitators among them to rile them up and goad them on. But even then, it's unclear if they were trained or given any specific orders from somewhere, or if they were just spontaneously acting on their own.

If it was organized, it must have been organized by the Three Stooges.

 

[We Never Know]

They discussed and planned what was originally to be a peaceful protest. The authorities knew about it in advance and tried to make preparations - just in case it got out of hand (which it obviously did). I can't recall all the details offhand, but there was talk of having the National Guard on hand, but then they decided against it. It seemed they weren't adequately prepared or properly informed about the crowd in question.

I didn't see any indication that the crowd itself was organized in any way, although it's possible there were instigators and agitators among them to rile them up and goad them on. But even then, it's unclear if they were trained or given any specific orders from somewhere, or if they were just spontaneously acting on their own.

If it was organized, it must have been organized by the Three Stooges.

"They discussed and planned what was originally to be a peaceful protest"

Do your really believe that? Isn't that what groups like BLM say too?

The thing is when you get 100's of upset people together that are wanting to protest or make a stand to try to stop something...it never ends peaceful. Most if not every riot started out as a peaceful protest and every person knew it could or would escalate and didn't care. They thought it would make them heard better.

 

[F1fan]

It isn't about what they thought they could do.

People flew in, drove in to be sure to be there that day. For some it took a day or two.
It wasn't on a whim, or a last second thing, it was planned

It was planned which makes it organized.

Organize : to arrange and plan (an event or activity) : to arrange or order things so that they can be found or used easily and quickly : to put things into a particular arrangement or order. : to gather (people) into a group that will work on something.

Definition of ORGANIZE

No doubt those who had zip ties had a plan to get inside. I'm not sure about the vast majority who seemed to go with the flow. I find it hard to believe that the FBI wouldn't have heard about a lager conspiracy in the chatter that was going. I could be wrong about that. It just seems to me the law enforcement was not expecting a Capitol breach. Time will reveal more details. I'm stunned this event isn't getting more attention. This was a huge catastrophe for Republicans and trump and our law enforcement agencies.

 

[We Never Know]

No doubt those who had zip ties had a plan to get inside. I'm not sure about the vast majority who seemed to go with the flow. I find it hard to believe that the FBI wouldn't have heard about a lager conspiracy in the chatter that was going. I could be wrong about that. It just seems to me the law enforcement was not expecting a Capitol breach. Time will reveal more details. I'm stunned this event isn't getting more attention. This was a huge catastrophe for Republicans and trump and our law enforcement agencies.

Brought zip ties, mace, brought or picked up a weapon(club, chair, etc), broke out windows or broke down doors to get in, assaulted people, etc. They all knew what they were doing at the time they did it.

 

[F1fan]

"They discussed and planned what was originally to be a peaceful protest"

Do your really believe that? Isn't that what groups like BLM say too?

Yes, as they are fighting for human rights. It's estimated that 92% of BLM protests were peaceful. Investigations reveal many right wing operatives causing disturbances at protests.

I remember the Capitol event being called a rally and protest, and perhaps those who got permits did intend that. But let's note they were protesting the results of a fair election regardless of the disinformation they believed.

The thing is when you get 100's of upset people together that are wanting to protest or make a stand to try to stop something...it never ends peaceful. Most if not every riot started out as a peaceful protest and every person knew it could or would escalate and didn't care. They thought it would make them heard better.

Like the American Revolution. It just depends on what is being fought for whether the violence is the cost society has to pay to make progress. The Jan 6 protest/violence was not fighting for progress, quite the opposite.

 

[fantome profane]

"They discussed and planned what was originally to be a peaceful protest"

Do your really believe that? Isn't that what groups like BLM say too?

The thing is when you get 100's of upset people together that are wanting to protest or make a stand to try to stop something...it never ends peaceful. Most if not every riot started out as a peaceful protest and every person knew it could or would escalate and didn't care. They thought it would make them heard better.

It doesn’t matter if they were all in on the plan, there was a plan and they took actions in furtherance of that plan.

And the fact that there was a lot of chaos doesn’t mean there wasn’t also organization. There is always chaos in any kind of battle,.

 

[F1fan]

Brought zip ties, mace, brought or picked up a weapon(club, chair, etc), broke out windows or broke down doors to get in, assaulted people, etc. They all knew what they were doing at the time they did it.

Some, not all. That is why many used flag poles, police shields, police batons, and other improvised weapons. Those who brought bear spray were planning to get passed the police. I don't think the average Joe from Pig's Knuckle, Arkansas knew about the big plans. The girl who was shot and killed was part of the conspiracy.