"7 Billion: How did we get so big so fast?"

[orcel]

At any cost? You can't stop and think about the implications of your actions based on an ancient text written when the global population and its resource consumption were significantly less than they are today?

Again you assume this is my position, i merely suggested that some people believe this.

Yes, of course we can control it. It takes a bit of forethought and determination but, yes, many can over-ride their urge to breed. Regarding some people's refusal - well, fair enough. I've no control over that (nor would I want to have it).

Are you are suggesting that you can succesfully encourge enough people to resist that urge such that it actually alters population stats, without coerrsion?

You've said this before. What do you propose? What are you personally doing to achieve this outcome?

Well for starters I have an extremely smaller carbon footprint then Al Gore.

 

[Noaidi]

quote=Noaidi;2675379] Again you assume this is my position, i merely suggested that some people believe this.

Given that you are a christian and you previously wrote: "Plus as has been mentioned here many believe we have religious requirment to increase in number", I assumed that this is a view you concurred with. Was I wrong?

Are you are suggesting that you can succesfully encourge enough people to resist that urge such that it actually alters population stats, without coerrsion?

All I can do is promote the idea of population control and the steps I have personally taken to avoid breeding. Whether people listen is up to them. Our population will stabilise or decline eventually. The question is do we want it to do so voluntarily or let Nature sort out that task for us?

Well for starters I have an extremely smaller carbon footprint then Al Gore.

Perhaps you do, but I asked you what you were doing specifically to acheive your goal. Saying that you have a smaller carbon footprint than a multi-millionaire private jet-using politician also applies to most of us, I would think.

 

[orcel]

Given that you are a christian and you previously wrote: "Plus as has been mentioned here many believe we have religious requirment to increase in number", I assumed that this is a view you concurred with. Was I wrong?

Yes, you were wrong. I do not place a personal connection on the supposed first command. Rather I see it as a population wide suggestion, that we are achieving just fine. Also the "we" you highlighted was universal to humanity, including you and me. I didn't say I agreed with this, only that some believe it. I have two kids and deceided to stop. IE my wife and I are contributing a net result of zero to population growth.

All I can do is promote the idea of population control and the steps I have personally taken to avoid breeding. Whether people listen is up to them. Our population will stabilise or decline eventually. The question is do we want it to do so voluntarily or let Nature sort out that task for us?

So your "solution" is really to do nothing and critize me for sugggesting we try to infulence our society and governments to be better stuards to eachother and the planet and its resources.

Perhaps you do, but I asked you what you were doing specifically to acheive your goal. Saying that you have a smaller carbon footprint than a multi-millionaire private jet-using politician also applies to most of us, I would think.

A rather personal question, but right now I give both time and money to both Philabundance (www.philabundance.org) a Philadelphia area clearing house for food aid and World Vision (www.worldvision.org). As well as convincing my church to give $40K to Compassion International (www.compassioninternational.org)

Also I seriously cut my home energy usage this past year, replacing a clunky old fridge, did not turn on my AC this past summer, just replaced my gas guzzeling car and an getting almost twice the milage that i was.

Its not perfect but its a start.

 

[Noaidi]

Yes, you were wrong.

My apologies. I took the "we" you referred to as being those who are religious.

So your "solution" is really to do nothing and critize me for sugggesting we try to infulence our society and governments to be better stuards to eachother and the planet and its resources.

No, far from it. I have said a few times here that resource consumption is a major issue (including an edit onto last night's post before you gave your current reply). Actually, I think that we are in agreement about some of the issues discussed here and we agree that the exploitation and use of resources is currently unsustainable. I'm not advocating doing nothing - I've been involved in environmental issues for the past two decades, both at a practical and an educational level. Virtually my whole lifestyle is centred around it. The difference between us is in our approach to the population issue.

A rather personal question, but right now I give both time and money to both Philabundance (www.philabundance.org) a Philadelphia area clearing house for food aid and World Vision (www.worldvision.org). As well as convincing my church to give $40K to Compassion International (www.compassioninternational.org)

Also I seriously cut my home energy usage this past year, replacing a clunky old fridge, did not turn on my AC this past summer, just replaced my gas guzzeling car and an getting almost twice the milage that i was.

Its not perfect but its a start.

None of us are perfect in our approach to this, but, as you said, we have to start somewhere.

 

[Noaidi]

This is worth watching. Unfortunately it's in 10 minute segments, so you'll have to load each part separately.

Horizon: 'How Many People Can Live On Planet Earth?' (1/7). Narrated by David Attenborough.
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(1/7) BBC Horizon: How Many People Can Live On Planet Earth? - YouTube

 

[Gaura Priya]

I'm sure if we all shared resources, threw in a couple more homosexuals, and that everyone adopt a child... we should be fine. BAM!