7 layers of heaven

[Fatihah]

I see words. Where's the proof?

Response: Refer to post 161.

 

[Conserver]

If science is applied to this solar system as originated from a Quran mass that was divided, that mass did orbit our Sun at SEVEN (7) AU, The summed orbital angular momentum divided by the mass sum = 2.65 L=m(root)2 2.65 squared is 7. It was a heaven at seven. Close enough?

 

[YmirGF]

If science is applied to this solar system as originated from a Quran mass that was divided, that mass did orbit our Sun at SEVEN (7) AU, The summed orbital angular momentum divided by the mass sum = 2.65 L=m(root)2 2.65 squared is 7. It was a heaven at seven. Close enough?

Clear evidence that one should never smoke pot prior to posting on RF. It might be helpful if you defined a so-called "Qur'an mass".

 

[Sahar]

I can handle craziness, but I would call what he has a case of delusions and willful ignorance, and I am not entertain by it at all. Especially the way he treated not4me. I don't care to entertain who tried to his empty superiority to attack any woman, regardless if that woman is a Muslim or not.

If he disagree with her, then disagree with her. Instead he call into her question her integrity, when he think she had slandered him. Well, because he refused to answer my question with regards to his so-called "scientific question", I have no hesitation in call him a hypocrite, a liar and a coward.

I had more entertainment watching grasses grow....no, correction. I don't have grasses in the lawn....they are more like weeds. *grimace*

I had more entertainment watching a slug. At least a slug would have common sense and knowledge in science than fatihah have.

Gnostic, you are not my lawyer. I am not weak or helpless so that I need someone to defend me. Don't use my posts for your own propaganda against my brother Fatihah.
Not because I disagreed with him, I would agree with attacking his person. If you don't like his replies, criticize them or ignore them, you are free but you should do this in a civilized way.
More than one post, you called him names. Shame on you!

 

[gnostic]

Gnostic, you are not my lawyer. I am not weak or helpless so that I need someone to defend me. Don't use my posts for your own propaganda against my brother Fatihah.

You're right. You don't need a lawyer or me defending you.

But I will criticise him if he had behave this way towards any woman, whether he was a Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu or atheist.

However, I didn't call him names, on your account.

But they don't use dictionaries to determine scientific terminology. Have you every done any scientific research?

And he answered "yes"

Response: Yes, I've done scientific research. And I don't know who "they" are, but if "they" don't use dictionaries to determine scientific terminology, then "they" are not speaking proper english..

If you answer "No", then I don't anyone would ask further question about it. But did fatihah do this no. He made a bold claim that he do "scientific research".

Tell me this, not4me.

With such claim, don't you think a follow-up question would follow from skydivephil?

"they' would be atmospheric scientists. What scientific research have you done?Are you saying in your field technical terms are just got out of a dictionary? What field is that?

perhaps you could aswer the question , what scientific research have you done?

My 2nd reply to fatihah in post 219, is basically asking the same questions. And I was nice and honest about in post 219, because I was naturally curious in what scientific background that he has.

I have repeatedly ask him about "what scientific research have you done?" to even simpler question like, "what type of scientific field are you involve in?"

And he answer my question about scientific research with:

Response: I never claimed to be a scientist, thus your whole post is pointless.

If you know me at all, I don't back down that easily.

In any case, this is science vs religion debate, and skydivephil created this topic in the 1st place. So could my question be pointless, if he had made the claim that he has done "scientific research" in which clearly he don't want to elaborate?

Whether Fatihah has done scientific research or not, is relevant, since he claimed to have done one.

Either he misunderstood question from skydivephil's 1st question about scientific research, or he is simply bragging.

There are 2 types of braggart in this world:

1. The one who would claim something he has done, and like rubbing about superior skill or knowledge that he does have.
2. Or he is bragging about something he claimed to have done, but is actually lying about it.

The 1st one would want to clearly elaborate what he has achieve.

The 2nd type of braggart, would not elaborate because he know he can't answer follow-up questions. He would evade and dodge questions he can't answer. This would make the 2nd braggart a liar.

Only a liar would evade simple questions like he has done, after making claims he can't justify or validate.

Which is why I think Fatihah is the 2nd type, because he refuses to answer question, by evading.

He is a coward if he refuses to answer a simple question, in which both skydivephil and I had ask him "What scientific research has he done?"

HE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANSWER "Yes, I have done scientific research" in the 1st place, back in 212.

If he had retract his answer from "yes" to a "no" due to misunderstanding the 1st question, more than likely would have gone no further about "scientific research".

He evade simple questions from me as well as skydivephil, repeatedly, so that make him a liar as well.

If you don't believe me, then read it yourself, from post 211 to 236. I did not call him a liar and a coward until 235, when my patience has wore thin with his evasions.

Am I rude for calling him names? Yes, I am. I won't deny it that I've been rude. There is also no denying that I've lost my patience with him.

But I won't retract what I have said to him until he answer my questions honestly and openly. Only then, would I apologise to him for being rude.

If you read post 219, then perhaps you can tell me if my questions are pointless not, to Fatihah's claim in post 219.

Are they as pointless as Fatihah stated?

If my questions in 219, then wouldn't that make skydivephil's questions equally as pointless?

As to your accusation of propaganda.

Don't use my posts for your own propaganda against my brother Fatihah.

It is not propaganda.

All our posts are public.

He did attack you, saying he has been slandered by you. He did accuse you of putting your own interpretation over his, even when he has provided no sufficient evidences that validate his own interpretations.

That's all on record, so it is not propaganda. But if you are offended because of my post, then I will apologise. I'm sorry.

 

[Fatihah]

You're right. You don't need a lawyer or me defending you.

But I will criticise him if he had behave this way towards any woman, whether he was a Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu or atheist.

However, I didn't call him names, on your account.



And he answered "yes"



If you answer "No", then I don't anyone would ask further question about it. But did fatihah do this no. He made a bold claim that he do "scientific research".

Tell me this, not4me.

With such claim, don't you think a follow-up question would follow from skydivephil?





My 2nd reply to fatihah in post 219, is basically asking the same questions. And I was nice and honest about in post 219, because I was naturally curious in what scientific background that he has.

I have repeatedly ask him about "what scientific research have you done?" to even simpler question like, "what type of scientific field are you involve in?"

And he answer my question about scientific research with:



If you know me at all, I don't back down that easily.

In any case, this is science vs religion debate, and skydivephil created this topic in the 1st place. So could my question be pointless, if he had made the claim that he has done "scientific research" in which clearly he don't want to elaborate?

Whether Fatihah has done scientific research or not, is relevant, since he claimed to have done one.

Either he misunderstood question from skydivephil's 1st question about scientific research, or he is simply bragging.

There are 2 types of braggart in this world:

1. The one who would claim something he has done, and like rubbing about superior skill or knowledge that he does have.
2. Or he is bragging about something he claimed to have done, but is actually lying about it.

The 1st one would want to clearly elaborate what he has achieve.

The 2nd type of braggart, would not elaborate because he know he can't answer follow-up questions. He would evade and dodge questions he can't answer. This would make the 2nd braggart a liar.

Only a liar would evade simple questions like he has done, after making claims he can't justify or validate.

Which is why I think Fatihah is the 2nd type, because he refuses to answer question, by evading.

He is a coward if he refuses to answer a simple question, in which both skydivephil and I had ask him "What scientific research has he done?"

HE SHOULD NOT HAVE ANSWER "Yes, I have done scientific research" in the 1st place, back in 212.

If he had retract his answer from "yes" to a "no" due to misunderstanding the 1st question, more than likely would have gone no further about "scientific research".

He evade simple questions from me as well as skydivephil, repeatedly, so that make him a liar as well.

Response: To the contrary, asking irrelevant questions persistanly than crying because one doesn't pay your absurdity any attention only makes it clear just how desperate you'll go to make yourself seem sensible, in an effort to distract from the fact that not only can you not find error in my argument concerning the topic, but you can
neither find any in the qur'an.

 

[skydivephil]

Response: To the contrary, asking irrelevant questions persistanly than crying because one doesn't pay your absurdity any attention only makes it clear just how desperate you'll go to make yourself seem sensible, in an effort to distract from the fact that not only can you not find error in my argument concerning the topic, but you can
neither find any in the qur'an.

If the question was so irrelevant why did you answer yes in the first place?

 

[gnostic]

Response: To the contrary, asking irrelevant questions persistently than crying because one doesn't pay your absurdity any attention only makes it clear just how desperate you'll go to make yourself seem sensible, in an effort to distract from the fact that not only can you not find error in my argument concerning the topic, but you can
neither find any in the qur'an.

Still can't answer simple questions, you hypocrite.

The only absurdity is you. Your ignorant showed when you claimed to have done scientific research, when apparently you haven't done in your life. Your ignorance showed when you ask for skydivephil for definition.

Response: The answer is in the previous post. And perhaps you should provide as to what you mean by scientific research, so we can at least agree on what play of words you'll be using this time.

I have wrote how people go doing scientific researches back in post 219.

Researching involve in depths of investigation, which may involve finding evidences, taking measurements or readings of some kind, calculation that may validate measurements or readings, and writing reports, thesis or essays, compare the theory with the testings, comparing you results with past and present accepted results.

Scientific research is involve more than simply looking up word in science dictionary or wikipedia (or any other forms of encyclopedia), or doing high science experiment.

Here are relevant scientific questions relating to your heaven=atmosphere interpretation, you pathetic Muslim:

• Have you done research on atmospheric science?
• Do you know what is the chemical composition of each layer?
• Or how these molecules and the volumes of these molecules affect the temperature for each layer?
• Do you know where these compounds/molecules originated from?
• Or how these gases distribute?
• Why is the temperature is different from one layer to another?
• Do you know what atmospheric pressure is? If so, then what average pressure for each layer?
• Can you tell me how aurora can be seen? Do you even understand the concept of ionisation?

I can see it now. You don't have the gut to answer any of these questions.

And even if you do answer a few (which doubt very much, considering your records of running away from the truth), you would probably copy-and-paste from dictionary/encyclopedia, it would not be answers that you have provided, but someone else's, without citing your sources. Because I have not seen a single Muslim at RF showing their OWN knowledge/expertise beyond copy-and-pasting. Pathetic.

Why are you even in science/religious debates, Fatihah?

You clearly have no scientific background, beyond your pathetic prattles and making a big fool of yourself.

C'mon tell me something useful about the atmospheres by answering my question if you really think heavens=atmosphere, instead of trying to divert to everyone's attention away from your ignorance.

You haven't given us one evidence to your interpretation with the Quranic verse of 7 heavens to the atmospheres. In all science regarding to (eg. atmospheric science, meteorology, earth science, astronomy). The earth doesn't have 7 layers; only 5 main layers of atmosphere, which skydivephil have pointed out to you. There are no lamps or stars in any layer of atmosphere, let alone in the lowest layer.

Go read any science book and perhaps you stop embarrassing yourself with your ignorance in front of everyone, you worthless, lying braggart. You're pathetic, fatihah.

 

[Fatihah]

If the question was so irrelevant why did you answer yes in the first place?

Response: I didn't. That was a different question.

 

[Fatihah]

Still can't answer simple questions, you hypocrite.

The only absurdity is you. Your ignorant showed when you claimed to have done scientific research, when apparently you haven't done in your life. Your ignorance showed when you ask for skydivephil for definition.



I have wrote how people go doing scientific researches back in post 219.

Researching involve in depths of investigation, which may involve finding evidences, taking measurements or readings of some kind, calculation that may validate measurements or readings, and writing reports, thesis or essays, compare the theory with the testings, comparing you results with past and present accepted results.

Scientific research is involve more than simply looking up word in science dictionary or wikipedia (or any other forms of encyclopedia), or doing high science experiment.

Here are relevant scientific questions relating to your heaven=atmosphere interpretation, you pathetic Muslim:

• Have you done research on atmospheric science?
• Do you know what is the chemical composition of each layer?
• Or how these molecules and the volumes of these molecules affect the temperature for each layer?
• Do you know where these compounds/molecules originated from?
• Or how these gases distribute?
• Why is the temperature is different from one layer to another?
• Do you know what atmospheric pressure is? If so, then what average pressure for each layer?
• Can you tell me how aurora can be seen? Do you even understand the concept of ionisation?

I can see it now. You don't have the gut to answer any of these questions.

And even if you do answer a few (which doubt very much, considering your records of running away from the truth), you would probably copy-and-paste from dictionary/encyclopedia, it would not be answers that you have provided, but someone else's, without citing your sources. Because I have not seen a single Muslim at RF showing their OWN knowledge/expertise beyond copy-and-pasting. Pathetic.

Why are you even in science/religious debates, Fatihah?

You clearly have no scientific background, beyond your pathetic prattles and making a big fool of yourself.

C'mon tell me something useful about the atmospheres by answering my question if you really think heavens=atmosphere, instead of trying to divert to everyone's attention away from your ignorance.

You haven't given us one evidence to your interpretation with the Quranic verse of 7 heavens to the atmospheres. In all science regarding to (eg. atmospheric science, meteorology, earth science, astronomy). The earth doesn't have 7 layers; only 5 main layers of atmosphere, which skydivephil have pointed out to you. There are no lamps or stars in any layer of atmosphere, let alone in the lowest layer.

Go read any science book and perhaps you stop embarrassing yourself with your ignorance in front of everyone, you worthless, lying braggart. You're pathetic, fatihah.

Response: Yet post 266 proves to the contrary.

 

[skydivephil]

Response: I didn't. That was a different question.

I asked you if you had done any scientific research, you said yes, when asked to elaborate you refuse , who do you think you are kidding here?

 

[Sahar]

Am I rude for calling him names? Yes, I am. I won't deny it that I've been rude. There is also no denying that I've lost my patience with him.

With all due respect, you are violating the rules of the forum. Your post #249 was edited by a mod. But what's the point if you kept repeating your attacks in 3 or 4 other posts?

And I seriously wonder, if you or anyone else found that your arguments with someone leads to nowhere, why are you wasting your precious time with him/her?! Why bother?!

What I see in specifically the last 4 or 5 pages, you all are doing nothing except attacking and insulting each other without any type of real discussion, what are you trying to do?!!

Examples:

Gnostic, i think you have to treat Fatihah and his crazines as entertainment, a fun look at the mental marvels of a theistic mind.

Response: Likewise, we have to treat your inability to comprehend simple, basic english as a product of your upbringing.

Still can't answer simple questions, you hypocrite.

Here are relevant scientific questions relating to your heaven=atmosphere interpretation, you pathetic Muslim:

Go read any science book and perhaps you stop embarrassing yourself with your ignorance in front of everyone, you worthless, lying braggart. You're pathetic, fatihah.

 

[Fatihah]

I asked you if you had done any scientific research, you said yes, when asked to elaborate you refuse , who do you think you are kidding here?

Response: No one. Who are you kidding?

 

[skydivephil]

Response: No one. Who are you kidding?

Why don't you just tell us what scientific research you've done?

 

[gnostic]

Response: Yet post 266 proves to the contrary.

Again, more refusal to answer questions. Run away like a whipped whelp that you are. Run away.

I asked you if you had done any scientific research, you said yes, when asked to elaborate you refuse , who do you think you are kidding here?

Response: No one. Who are you kidding?

This is a science-religion debate. Why are you even this topic that skydivephil himself started, fatihah, if you make claim that you refused to explain further when asked nicely?

With all due respect, you are violating the rules of the forum. Your post #249 was edited by a mod. But what's the point if you kept repeating your attacks in 3 or 4 other posts?

And I seriously wonder, if you or anyone else found that your arguments with someone leads to nowhere, why are you wasting your precious time with him/her?! Why bother?!

What I see in specifically the last 4 or 5 pages, you all are doing nothing except attacking and insulting each other without any type of real discussion, what are you trying to do?!!

I don't deny I have been rude to fatihah, but only because he continue to ignore our valid questions about "what scientific research has he done?" or "in what field in science did he do his research in?" I have lost my patience with fatihah, so I have been rude.

Do you think I should apologise to him?

I will, but only on the condition that he either retract his false statement of "doing scientific research", or that he elaborate in what area he did his scientific research. I would rather cut off both my thumbs off than to apologise to him if he doesn't mean either one of these conditions.

As I have stated again and again, fatihah claimed "yes" in post 212, to doing scientific research, and it is very relevant to this topic. Skydivephil was the 1st to ask the questions.

Skydivephil and I have asked repeatedly to elaborate further he evade simple questions. Skydivephil has just asked again in post 271.

Only someone who evade the questions to elaborate like he has, is bound to be lying.

That you would say it is a waste time, is not true, because it is very important for fatihah to elaborate on his claims. His refusal to answer make him a liar and a hypocrite, and his claim to "doing scientific research" to be FALSE.

Do all Muslims make false claims?

I don't think so, but I have grave doubt that any of you in RF have any qualification in science.

He has shown his ignorance time and time again. Someone like skydivephil and ymirgf may be amused by his ignorance and lies, but I am not phil or ymirgf. I am a blunt person, and I say what I say, without reservation, but I also don't run away from hard questions. And that's more than I can say for fatihah, which is why I called him a coward.

Report me if you wish.

You said in your other post (to me) that I am not your lawyer and don't need to defend you. Are you fatihah's lawyer?

Defend the lying coward if you so wish to, because I don't really care if you defend him or not. I would expect Muslims come to his defend, even if he is making false claims, rather than seeing the fact or truth for what it is regardless of where that truth or fact comes from someone other than a Muslim.

All you are doing, not4me, is wrongfully supporting, justifying and propagating a lie by someone with big ego and no shame, and that really a shame. Shame because I thought you was better than this.

 

[Fatihah]

Why don't you just tell us what scientific research you've done?

Response: Why stress over a question that has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[Fatihah]

Again, more refusal to answer questions. Run away like a whipped whelp that you are. Run away.




This is a science-religion debate. Why are you even this topic that skydivephil himself started, fatihah, if you make claim that you refused to explain further when asked nicely?

Response: Still being persistant in asking an irrelevant question in an effort to try to cover up the simple fact that you can't find a shred of error in my argument concerning the 7 heavens. That you're completely impotent when it comes to the topic. It's an amazing thing to watch a person persist in denial and somehow think that by doing so, they actually think they are making sense. But after all, it's coming from you. So there's nothing surprising.

 

[gnostic]

Response: Still being persistant in asking an irrelevant question in an effort to try to cover up the simple fact that you can't find a shred of error in my argument concerning the 7 heavens. That you're completely impotent when it comes to the topic. It's an amazing thing to watch a person persist in denial and somehow think that by doing so, they actually think they are making sense. But after all, it's coming from you. So there's nothing surprising.

I have asked you new questions in post 268, you illiterate, ignorant fool, relating to your interpretation of heavens being atmosphere.

• Have you done research on atmospheric science?
• Do you know what is the chemical composition of each layer?
• Or how these molecules and the volumes of these molecules affect the temperature for each layer?
• Do you know where these compounds/molecules originated from?
• Or how these gases distribute?
• Why is the temperature is different from one layer to another?
• Do you know what atmospheric pressure is? If so, then what average pressure for each layer?
• Can you tell me how aurora can be seen? Do you even understand the concept of ionization?

Or can't you read? Don't you know to read English?

I didn't think you would answer me. Yes, keep running away, you useless, *****-whipped whelp. Yap, yap, yap...

You're biggest Muslim Chicken that I know, Fatihah!

 

[Fatihah]

I have asked you new questions in post 268, you illiterate, ignorant fool, relating to your interpretation of heavens being atmosphere.


Or can't you read? Don't you know to read English?

I didn't think you would answer me. Yes, keep running away, you useless, *****-whipped whelp. Yap, yap, yap...

You're biggest Muslim Chicken that I know, Fatihah!

Response: We once again watch how the hypocrite runs from the topic. There isn't one question
in whiched you've just asked concerning the 7 heavens that relates to the topic. The topic is whether there are in fact 7 heavens. So what do you do? You ask several questions which address the 7 heavens, not whether or not THERE ARE 7 heavens. So once again, thank you for once again confirming that not only are you a hypocrite, but apparently, you can't read.

 

[gnostic]

Yes, yes. About the 7 heavens found in Qur'an. And we dealing with your interpretation of 7 heavens, which you think is the earth's atmospheres. And since this is a religion and science debate, you've claimed to done scientific research. So I am asking you question relating to atmosphere.

Do you really not see the connection between my questions to your interpretations? Or are you blind as well as dumb?