9/11 conspiracy

[kai]

isn't it? no Jewish people in world trade center!! how come? if it was true, then that would be enough evidence since it involves 'trade'




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an absolute classic:thud:

 

[.lava]

an absolute classic:thud:

with another absolute classic




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[kai]

Lava you crack me up man lol

 

[Heneni]

Not even arguing the specifics of the theories - which by the way no one one this board is qualified to make judgments on - such as structural deficiencies, etc - the face argument of this is still absurd.

C mon ... let's use common sense. Of course our government wouldn't be following protocol! This is illegal, if it was in fact, done by the government. But think of how much work it takes for the government to make this happen and blame it on the terrorists. Think of all the intel people, counter-intelligence, security, people from air force, intelligence community in general, members of Congress/senate/executive branch whose authorities are necessray to give certain authorizations, engineers, propagenda people, cover-up people, not to mention the tons of people that would be involved in logistics at the air ports, pentagon, etc.

No single person in government can do this alone. If done, it will be a collective effort - even if illegal, it will require a small army of people. And the government being as interconnected as it is, do you serious think that no one involved in the conspiracy would've called their friend, family, or loved ones to give a heads up if they were in or near twin towers/pentagon? All the people that had to have been involved could've been kept quiet for this long?

Conspiracy theorists are like herpies - they keep spreading and you can only treat the symptoms, but never able to cure it. Every time you debunk a theory with a good old *** kicking and facts, they're all of a sudden not responsible for their assertions and go hide under rocks until they can come up with a new conspiracy.

Neo...im not saying the goverment did it one way or another, but it is my right to analyse it one way or another.

You still dont get me....the goverment would need just as many people to pull this off as the terrorists. Not hundreds and thousands.

Personally, i dont think the US goverment did it...im just concerned about the fact that they knew it was going to happen and did nothing about it. THAT is the problem. Or is that just another piece of herpes?

 

[cardero]

Neo Logic, did you view the entire 9/11 Loose Change video?

 

[Phasmid]

The 9/11 false flag covert operation was proven in 2004 by Michael C. Ruppert's book: Crossing the Rubicon: The Decline of the American Empire at the End of the Age of Oil. 600 pages of meticulously researched documentation is probably not for you though, as your comments indicate that you only seek truth as an escape from boredom. While you and others are still raising pathetic "questions", true journalists like Ruppert have sacrificed their lives getting answers.

Oh shut up.

 

[Phasmid]

I seriously have the urge to hit someone in the face when they regurgitate random conspiracy crap they saw on the internet without much thought or research when they say stuff like 9/11 is caused by government and all the people on the planes are actually just hiding, and still alive.

Yea, a-hole. Tell the kids and families of those that perished that their mommies and daddies are just playing hide and seek, permanently.

It raised interesting questions... that's all I posted it for.

EDIT: And if your remarks are addressed to me specifically, I didn't say it WAS DEFINATELY caused by the government.

 

[Phasmid]

For all those who are going over board on this, calm down...

I posted the video because it raises interesting questions... questions which can be debated... which is the main purpose of this forum... stop getting into, "Oh it's unpatriotic". That's garbage! I love my COUNTRY, not my GOVERNMENT.

 

[rojse]

Personally, i dont think the US goverment did it...im just concerned about the fact that they knew it was going to happen and did nothing about it. THAT is the problem. Or is that just another piece of herpes?

I wonder how many potential threats that the US government is aware of against America, and how you expect the American government to deal with them all, regardless of how serious the intelligence agencies perceive the problem to be.

 

[Heneni]

I wonder how many potential threats that the US government is aware of against America, and how you expect the American government to deal with them all, regardless of how serious the intelligence agencies perceive the problem to be.

THAT is a serious question that the goverment needs to find an answer to.

 

[Neo-Logic]

Phasmid, none of my posts are directed at you specifically - especially the a-hole comment. In fact, I was calling those conspiracy theorists who claim 9/11 is a hoax and decoys were used, etc, an a-hole. Not you.

And Heneni, many parts of the world hates America for different reasons - but mainly because we're #1. No one likes the top dog. It is the government's job to do their possible best to prevent attacks on the nation, but because the government is run by people, it too is suspectible to human and operator error - perhaps in both judgment and action. It's easy to argue things in hindsight, but much harder to predict the future.

I did watch loose change. It goes so far as to suggest that the tower collapsing is an implosion, and a bunch of b.s - hinting at government involvement. Someone should've asked that a-hole why the criminal masterminds from the government that is capable of killing thosuands of its own citizens is unable to stop this maverick truth teller by a quick assisanation or the likes?

 

[Willamena]

And Heneni, many parts of the world hates America for different reasons - but mainly because we're #1. No one likes the top dog.

As is every other nation unto itself. I don't dispute any other part of your post, but somehow I doubt this is a salient reason.

 

[.lava]

i am unsure if Government is behind it. i can't believe all the people in government would be that cruel. but maybe there is a hidden government within USA government that sets reasons for the government.




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[Phasmid]

Phasmid, none of my posts are directed at you specifically - especially the a-hole comment. In fact, I was calling those conspiracy theorists who claim 9/11 is a hoax and decoys were used, etc, an a-hole. Not you.

Glad to hear it *man hugs*

 

[cardero]

Neo-Logic writes: Some just can't accept that a bunch of people filled with pure hate and cunning took down something so massive with something so little. Face reality.

Neo-Logic, are you implying that a group of cave dwellers had the facility to bamboozle our country’s CIA, FBI and NORAD agencies?

 

[Neo-Logic]

Neo-Logic, are you implying that a group of cave dwellers had the facility to bamboozle our country’s CIA, FBI and NORAD agencies?

How did David slay Goliath? (if you're religious) A rock.

What inspired the theorizing of gravity? An apple.

How was tea (the most popular drink in the world second to water) discovered? A tea leaf fell into a pot of boiling water.

What commodities raised and destroyed empires? Salt & Sugar.

Who or what was behind 9/11? A group of men with such conviction to their cause that it inspired them to act with pure cunning and hatred to destroy something so majestic as the twin tower with such a rudimentary tactic as hijacking 747's full of jet fuel and crashing them into the towers. Do not forget that they were willing to die. Few forces of nature or men or technology could counteract a man who is not afraid of death, and has the conviction to methodically plan and follow through.

As Ockham's razor suggest, all things being equal the simplest answer is often the right answer.

 

[.lava]

THE LAVON AFFAIR

In 1954, Israeli agents working in Egypt planted bombs in several buildings, including a United States diplomatic facility, and left evidence behind implicating Arabs as the culprits. The ruse would have worked, had not one of the bombs detonated prematurely, allowing the Egyptians to capture and identify one of the bombers, which in turn led to the round up of an Israeli spy ring. Some of the spies were from Israel, while others were recruited fro the local Jewish population. Israel responded to the scandal with claims in the media that there was no spy ring, that it was all a hoax perpetrated by "anti-Semites". But as the public trial progressed, it was evidence that Israel had indeed been behind the bombing. Eventually, Israeli's Defense Minister Pinhas Lavon was brought down by the scandal, although it appears that he was himself the victim of a frame-up by the real authors of the bombing project, code named "Operation Susannah."

So now we have the present situation. Ruined buildings, dead people, Anthrax in the mail. There is a constant hue and cry to try to blame Arab Muslims by the Israeli government, which seeks to enlarge its territory (Israel has invaded every single nation it shares a border with since its creation) and by the US government, which seeks to grab control of what remains of the world's oil reserves. Either through this mutually reinforcing agenda, of perhaps because of blackmail of our officials by Israel, the US has become Israel's partner in this hoax, which leads us to the reason for the US to classify evidence that links Israel's arrested spies with the events of 9-11.

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
-- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring.

History teaches us that since the dawn of the industrial age, all wars have been started with deceptions and manufactured provocations. Hitler staged a fake attack from Poland to start WW2. FDR maneuvered Japan into attacking the fleet at Pearl Harbor then presented the attack as a total surprise to the American people.

Evidence that 9-11 is another such deception mounts every day. Almost a year ago, in March 2001, long before the attacks on the World Trade Towers, while the American people were being distracted by "All Condit, All The Time", the United States Government was already informing other nations of plans to invade Afghanistan in October, 2001. And, in October 2001, the United States did in fact invade Afghanistan, right on schedule, which means that the attacks on the World Trade Towers occurred at just the exact moment when the United States needed a population angry enough to support a war.

Have we been hoaxed? Would someone really sacrifice some buildings (as FDR sacrificed some ships) to start a war? Against the $5 trillion worth of oil under the Caspian Sea, the price of a new World Trade Center in New York is just pocket change, a cheap price to pay indeed for control of such vast oil reserves, and an even better deal if the oil under Iraq can be added to the prize package, especially for a government too deeply in debt to get out without massive conquests of someone else's resources.

The fact that the Anthrax Letters were NOT sent by an Arab Muslim but by a Jewish gentleman with the intent to FRAME an Arab Muslim strongly suggests that the entire sequence of recent events has been one gigantic frame-up, which would explain again why the US Government is itself classifying evidence that links some of the arrested Israeli spies with the events of 9-11.

History may be repeating itself again. We cannot afford to dismiss the possibility that, once again, Americans are the victims of a hoax designed to trick them into sacrificing their wealth and the lives of their children in a war of someone else's making; a war of the worst kind, war for profit and empire.

One more lesson from history needs to be repeated. Since the dawn of the industrial age, the overwhelming majority of wars have been LOST by the side that initiated them.

Just one more reason for caution.

"By way of deception, thou shalt do war" -- Motto of Israel's Mossad

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/anthraxsuspect.html


is this hoax?




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[gnomon]

The most bothersome aspect is that individuals are so willing to post or bring forth conspiracy theories without ever bothering to read, in the case of the 9/11 conspiracies, what investigators are actually saying. They'll read statements filtered through that idiot Jones or a continually edited documentary that has to change every time massive flaws in their theories are revealed.

But actually research on their own?

Too funny.

 

[cardero]

The most bothersome aspect is that individuals are so willing to post or bring forth conspiracy theories without ever bothering to read, in the case of the 9/11 conspiracies, what investigators are actually saying.
But actually research on their own?

Too funny.

Many of the 9/11 questions that investigators have had have not been properly addressed.

gnomon writes: They'll read statements filtered through that idiot Jones or a continually edited documentary that has to change every time massive flaws in their theories are revealed.

Do you have examples of these massive flaws? I would be willing to consider them.

 

[.lava]

The most bothersome aspect is that individuals are so willing to post or bring forth conspiracy theories without ever bothering to read, in the case of the 9/11 conspiracies, what investigators are actually saying. They'll read statements filtered through that idiot Jones or a continually edited documentary that has to change every time massive flaws in their theories are revealed.

But actually research on their own?

Too funny.

funny? then we should break down and cry now. the truth is, dear gnomon, 9/11 was horrible. you don't need to be an American to shed tears. ever since it happened, lots of information was added to net. both right and wrong. we call that dirt of information. who's gonna come up say for sure why it happened? i personally think that it is truly incomplete if people take 9/11 as a single incident. i mean, if you investigate 9/11 on its own, your perception would be narrow. it is part of something else.

do you know that a few guys in Istanbul attacked USA embassy? do you know the details about that day or your media just told what happened and then let go? let me give you details from Turkish newspapers. that day, American Embassador, used back door instead of the door she passes through everyday. she leaves the building every day for lunch in the noon, but that day, she preffered to stay inside. above all, those killers attacked with a few guns to a highly protected building. while Turkish policemen and killers were shooting each other, all the doors were locked and American gun men watched entire scene from window. now, here nobody believes that that attack was done to USA. however it looks like that, doesn't it?




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