9/11 truth Could Prevent world War III

[anyscientologist]

The 9/11 self created attack led to the Patriot Act legislation and the war against Muslims. The next terror attack will unleash the World War III against nuclear governments.

What you can do is to stop the next self inflicted terror attack on the USA population.

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Mounting Public Opinion Forces Fox into Retreat

Disbelief Caused by Bush 'Hatred' Say 'No Spin' News Heads Descending Deeper into the Defensive

Aaron Dykes/ JonesReport.com | August 4, 2006

The campaign to discredit the 9/11 Truth Movement has gone from manageable to desperate for the administration. The push for more evidence had been dammed up by the premise of the Moussoui Trial. But since its completion, pressure has forced an ever-defensive government to dole out evidence.
So, we have seen the handled release of more Pentagon footage and now, the release of some of the NORAD recordings from 9/11. Fox News has had on many guests regarding 9/11 since the Pentagon footage was released, including 9/11 Scholars for Truth members James Fetzer, the founder, and Kevin Barrett, whose un-tenured teaching position has come under attack.
Both scholars raised questions that Fox News couldn't fully address, but Fox was still able to maintain the catch all defense summed up in the label "Conspiracy Theorist."

But now the Bush administration's parrot has been forced to descend deeper into the circles of illogical defense-- showing the forced hand in trying to suppress information about the truth of the September 11 attacks.

The recent Scripps-Howard/Ohio State Poll found that 1/3 of the American public "suspect federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East."
Fox News, then, must hobble backwards over itself in the name of damage control.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/040806_fox_retreat.html

 

[anyscientologist]

Could the repeated threads be erased plese?

 

[Circle_One]

Could the repeated threads be erased plese?

Done and done.

 

[Chanan]

But now the Bush administration's parrot has been forced to descend deeper into the circles of illogical defense-- showing the forced hand in trying to suppress information about the truth of the September 11 attacks.

The recent Scripps-Howard/Ohio State Poll found that 1/3 of the American public "suspect federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East."
Fox News, then, must hobble backwards over itself in the name of damage control.

Fortunately, 2/3 of the American public are better educated and their newspaper of choice isn't The Enquirer.

 

[anyscientologist]

Thansk Circle_One.

Fortunately, 2/3 of the American public are better educated and their newspaper of choice isn't The Enquirer.
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Chanan

Chanan, what makes you belive that the rest of the mainstream media is reliable? Have they explained the following?

9/11 Tower Recreation: Building Does Not Collapse

Firefighting News | August 4 2006

There were dramatic scenes when experts torched a Glasgow tower block - to find out why New York's World Trade Centre collapsed when it was hit by hijacked planes. The experiment, filmed for a BBC documentary, was carried out in a 22-floor high-rise in Dalmarnock due for demolition by Glasgow Housing Association.

http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/911_tower_recreation_building_no_collapse.htm
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[anyscientologist]

9/11 Symposium Most Popular C-Span Show

9/11 Symposium Most Popular C-Span Show

Prison Planet | August 5 2006

The June 2006 L.A. American Scholars Symposium is still the most popular online streaming choice for C-Span viewers, according to their companion Capital News website.

The 9/11 truth symposium, hosted by Alex Jones, featured numerous credible researchers and whistleblowers - as well as a speech by actor Charlie Sheen.
The program, carried under the banner of C-Span's 'American Perspectives' slot, caused waves across the Internet after debuting last weekend and repeating a further three times.

It is highly unlikely that Dick Cheney's speech which followed the symposium is responsible for any of the ratings!

The panel discussion featuring Webster Tarply, Professor Steven Jones, Col. Bob Bowman and Professor James Fetzer can be viewed in full below.

http://www.infowars.net/

 

[anyscientologist]

The truth, then, is out in massive numbers without the help of politics. This implies strongly that the hopes of the administration to keep this thing under wraps in an open-ended War on Terror is simply over. They will be forced to show their hand or give up. Either way, the public will no longer be deceived about the truth of 9/11.

Fox News would love to really believe that sentiment and rhetoric are still the controlling devices behind the shifting public belief on 9/11. Unfortunately for Fox and the remainder of complicit mainstream media, the debate is being driven by evidence that cannot or is not being refuted by those in government in a position to do so.

Unfortunately for the criminal elements in and around the government who actually attacked the United States on 9/11, the truth of that evidence is coming out-- it is only a matter of time.

Hatred for Bush may be one of the consequences, but it is not the cause of public opinion on 9/11. This excuse will only bide time.

http://www.jonesreport.com/articles/040806_fox_retreat.html

 

[Lindsey-Loo]

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. I'm not as educated in world politics as I am in Christianity and religion, and that will become evident sometime during this post, I'm sure. But I have to say something. What kind of person would actually believe that the 9/11 attack that killed thousands of people was planned so that we could go to war with the Middle-East? If I remember correctly, it was the honorable Mr. Clinton that was president while Al-Queda planned the attacks. If I remember correctly, it was Mr. Clinton who ignored the clues and hints that 9/11 would take place, of which there were several. It is amazing what some people will go to make G.W. look bad. Fortunately, it seems that most of the American public is not as stupid as I previously thought they were.

 

[Bishka]

Chanan, what makes you belive that the rest of the mainstream media is reliable?

As I am sure that Chanan can answer for himself, I will not speak for him, but for myself.

What makes your think conspiracy theories are reliable? They are not based on fact, but based on can be played the best on human emotions and be belieavable. There may be a speck of truth to those conspiricies, but we will never no, because the more the conspiracy theorists make their insane ideas, the more the ignorant public will believe them and not the truth, so the truth-teller may eventually give up on trying to tell what really happened.

 

[greatcalgarian]

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. I'm not as educated in world politics as I am in Christianity and religion, and that will become evident sometime during this post, I'm sure. But I have to say something. What kind of person would actually believe that the 9/11 attack that killed thousands of people was planned so that we could go to war with the Middle-East? If I remember correctly, it was the honorable Mr. Clinton that was president while Al-Queda planned the attacks. If I remember correctly, it was Mr. Clinton who ignored the clues and hints that 9/11 would take place, of which there were several. It is amazing what some people will go to make G.W. look bad. Fortunately, it seems that most of the American public is not as stupid as I previously thought they were.

If Clinton has ignored the clues and hints, what is GWB doing with all those hints and clues? Did Clinton hide all those information, and told GWB that Al Qaeda was good friend of US, and will never plan such attack?

 

[greatcalgarian]

As I am sure that Chanan can answer for himself, I will not speak for him, but for myself.

What makes your think conspiracy theories are reliable? They are not based on fact, but based on can be played the best on human emotions and be belieavable. There may be a speck of truth to those conspiricies, but we will never no, because the more the conspiracy theorists make their insane ideas, the more the ignorant public will believe them and not the truth, so the truth-teller may eventually give up on trying to tell what really happened.

It is a matter of perspective. There are people who viewed the government report, that is, the commission for 9/11, is a conspiracy, and that report is playing best on human emotions and be believeable. There may be a speck of truth to the US government official report by the commision, because the more the government makes her insane ideas, the more ignorant public will believe the govenmetn and not the truth, so the truthteller may eventually give up on trying to tell what really happened.

 

[greatcalgarian]

In order for forum member to discuss this topic with open mind and well informed, please read the following first:
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/911/
The 9-11 Commission Report

Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States, Official Government Edition

The Commission’s Final Report provides a full and complete account of the circumstances surrounding the September 11th, 2001, terrorist attacks, including preparedness for and the immediate response to the attacks. It also includes recommendations designed to guard against future attacks. Below you will find the official Government edition of the Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States.
The Full Report (2.3 MB, 585 pages) has been made available in its entirety, as a single PDF file. In response to comments from the community, GPO has refined the Full Report as an improved, interactive, user-friendly PDF, optimized for screen-viewing. GPO has also decreased the file size to a mere 2.3 MB. The report is also available as a collection of smaller PDFs arranged in a browse table based on the Final Report's table of contents. An Executive Summary (344 KB, 35 pages) of the Final Report is also available.

This will give you a full understanding and knowledge of what the government of US has stated and her stand on 9/11. Then you can go into the 'conspiracy theorists' view on 9/11. But be aware that there are many early web information or web writers that have some ulterior motive in putting up half truth regarding 9/11....

For example read this, a magazine supposedly to be scientific:
http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/sciam/
and this one as well:
http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.html
and this one:
http://www.civil.usyd.edu.au/wtc.shtml
Then you may want to see interesting view full of 'conspiracy' in this:
http://www.public-action.com/911/jmcm/physics_1.html
http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/defaulte.htm
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_wtc_media.html
http://911review.com/
http://911research.wtc7.net/
However, I would recommend this page for a more objective view:
http://911review.org/ScholarsforTruthabout911/

Finally, you might want to finish up your study with Professor David Ray Griffin critical writing on the commision report:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8765.htm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6837001821567284154

 

[greatcalgarian]

David Ray Griffin


Although I am a philosopher of religion and theologian, I have spent most of my time during the past three years on 9/11—studying it, writing about it, and speaking about it. In this lecture, I will try to make clear why I believe this issue worthy of so much time and energy. I will do this in terms of the distinction between myth and reality.
I am here using the term "myth" in two senses. In one sense, a myth is an idea that, while widely believed, is false, failing to correspond with reality.
In a deeper sense, which is employed by students of religion, a myth serves as an orienting and mobilizing story for a people, a story that reminds them who they are and why they do what they do. When a story is called as a myth in this sense—which we can call Myth with a capital M—the focus is not on the story's relation to reality but on its function. This orienting and mobilizing function is possible, moreover, only because Myths with a capital M have religious overtones. Such a Myth is a Sacred Story.
However, although to note that a story functions as a Myth in the religious sense is not necessarily to deny its truth, a story cannot function as a Sacred Myth within a community or nation unless it is believed to be true. In most cases, moreover, the truth of the Myth is taken on faith. It is not a matter of debate. If some people have the bad taste to question the truth of the Sacred Story, the keepers of the faith do not enter into debate with them. Rather, they ignore them or denounce them as blasphemers.
According to the official story about 9/11, America, because of its goodness, was attacked by fanatical Arab Muslims who hate our freedoms. This story has functioned as a Sacred Myth for the United States since that fateful day. And this function appears to have been carefully orchestrated. The very next day, President Bush announced his intention to lead "a monumental struggle of Good versus Evil."1 Then on September 13, he declared that the following day would be a National Day of Prayer and Remembrance for the Victims of the Terrorist Attacks. And on that next day, the president himself, surrounded by Billy Graham, a cardinal, a rabbi, and an imam, delivered a sermon in the national cathedral, saying:
Our responsibility to history is already clear: to answer these attacks and rid the world of Evil. War has been waged against us by stealth and deceit and murder. This nation is peaceful, but fierce when stirred to anger. . . . In every generation, the world has produced enemies of human freedom. They have attacked America, because we are freedom's home and defender. And the commitment of our fathers is now the calling of our time. . . . [W]e ask almighty God to watch over our nation, and grant us patience and resolve in all that is to come. . . . And may He always guide our country. God bless America.2
Through this unprecedented event, in which the president of the United States issued a declaration of war from a cathedral, French author Thierry Meyssan observed in 2002, "the American government consecrated . . . its version of events. From then on, any questioning of the official truth would be seen as sacrilege."3
That attitude has remained dominant in the public sphere until this day, as the official account has continued to serve as a Sacred Story. When people raise questions about this story, they are either ignored, ridiculed as conspiracy theorists, or—as Charlie Sheen has recently experienced—attacked personally. When anyone asks what right the administration has to invade and occupy other countries, to imprison people indefinitely without due process, or even to ignore various laws, the answer is always the same: "9/11." Those who believe that US law and international law should be respected are dismissed as having "a pre-9/11 mind-set."
Given the role the official account of 9/11 has played and continues to play, the most important question before our country today is whether this account, besides being a Myth in the religious sense, is also a myth in the pejorative sense—that is, whether it is simply false.
http://www.anthonyflood.com/griffin911mythandreality.htm

a lecture delivered March 30, 2006, Grand Lake Theater, Oakland, California. Listen to or download mp3 file of the KMUD radio broadcast (runtime: 01:07:27).

 

[greatcalgarian]

Myth Number 1: ​

Our political and military leaders simply would not do such a thing.​

Myth Number 2: ​

Our political and military leaders would have had no motive for orchestrating the 9/11 attacks. ​

Myth Number 3: ​

Such a big operation, involving so many people, could not have been kept a secret, because someone involved in it would have talked by now. ​

Myth Number 4: ​

The 9/11 Commission, which has endorsed the official account, was an independent, impartial commission and hence can be believed. ​

Myth Number 5:​

The Bush administration provided proof that the attacks were carried out by al-Qaeda terrorists under the direction of Osama bin Laden.​

Myth Number 6: ​

The 9/11 attacks came as a surprise to the Bush administration. ​

Myth Number 7: ​

US officials have explained why the hijacked airliners were not intercepted.​

Myth Number 8: ​

Official Reports have explained why the Twin Towers and Building 7 of the World Trade Center collapsed.​

Myth Number 9:​

There is no doubt that Flight 77, under the control of al-Qaeda hijacker Hani Hanjour, struck the Pentagon.​

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Would really appreciate if someone can point me to any web articles refuting the 9 myths presented by David Ray Griffin.​

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Conclusion​

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It would seem, for many reasons, that the official story of 9/11, which has served as a religious Myth in the intervening years, is a myth in the pejorative sense of a story that does not correspond to reality. One sign of a story that is a myth in this sense, I have pointed out, is that it cannot be rationally defended, and the official story has never been publicly defended against informed criticism by any member of NIST, the 9/11 Commission, or the Bush administration. An illustration: After Charlie Sheen had made public his skepticism about the official story, CNN's "Showbiz Tonight" wanted to have a debate, about the points he had raised, between a representative of the government and a representative of 9/11Truth.org. But the producers reportedly could find no member of the government willing to appear on the show. In this unwillingness of the government to appear on an entertainment show to answer questions raised by an actor, we would seem to have the clearest possible sign that the government's story is myth, not reality.
If so, we must demand that the government immediately cease implementing the policies that have been justified by this myth.
When charges were brought against some members of Duke University's lacrosse team in March of 2006, the president of the university immediately cancelled all future games until the truth of the charges could be decided. But surely, as serious as the charges were in that case, the charges against the official story of 9/11 are far more serious, for this story, serving as a national religious Myth, has been used to justify two wars, which have caused many tens of thousands of deaths; to start a more general war on Islam, in which Muslims are considered guilty until proven innocent; to annul and violate civil rights; and to increase our military spending, which was already greater than that of the rest of the world combined, by hundreds of billions of dollars, partly so that weapons can be put into space.
Congress needs to put the implementation of these policies on hold until there is a truly independent investigation, carried out by qualified individuals who are not members of the very circles that, if 9/11 truly was a false flag operation, planned it, carried it out, and then covered it up.

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[cardero]

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of. I'm not as educated in world politics as I am in Christianity and religion, and that will become evident sometime during this post, I'm sure. But I have to say something. What kind of person would actually believe that the 9/11 attack that killed thousands of people was planned so that we could go to war with the Middle-East? If I remember correctly, it was the honorable Mr. Clinton that was president while Al-Queda planned the attacks. If I remember correctly, it was Mr. Clinton who ignored the clues and hints that 9/11 would take place, of which there were several. It is amazing what some people will go to make G.W. look bad. Fortunately, it seems that most of the American public is not as stupid as I previously thought they were.

The individual is handicapped by coming face to face with a conspiracy so monstrous one cannot believes it exists-J. Edgar Hoover

 

[kai]

so some people want to believe the american government did this atrocity and not bin laden . once again the truth is staring you straight in the face islamofascism has the most efficient propaganda machine ever. it makes the nazis look like rank amateurs.
the great satan is behind the attack it cant be shiek osama.

some people need to wise up

 

[Scuba Pete]

Threads like this are fear mongering at their most despicable worst. They don't get uglier than this.

 

[kai]

Threads like this are fear mongering at their most despicable worst. They don't get uglier than this.

there almost laughable except for the fact that westerners will beleive the worst of their own governments, before the despicable acts of foregners who are hell bent on destroying them.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Oh, I am no fan of Shrub.

But this is beyond the pale.

 

[anyscientologist]

Thanks for the official report on 9/11. I think reading it will not stop murders, like reading the Warren Report on Kennedy’s assassination didn’t stop the deaths of many witnesses and involved people.

More recently, the case on Enron is causing the death of banker witnesses. So far the 9/11 truth movement has had only treats of harm against children of scholars involved in the investigation. No murders so far that I know.

Are Enron Bankers/Witnesses Being Murdered?

Steve Watson / Infowars | July 12 2006

With the latest revelation that a body discovered in North-east London is that of a banker intimately connected with the Enron fraud case, one has to begin to ask why are there so many "unexplained" deaths linked to this case?

The BBC is reporting that London Police are treating the death of Neil Coulbeck, who worked for the Royal Bank of Scotland until 2004, as "unexplained".

http://www.infowars.net/articles/july2006/130706Enron.htm

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