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A basic Kabbalah article

Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
On that site, there is a quote, "there are no kabbalists outside Israel" so tell me why the rest of us, outside Israel should bother learning about Kabbalah?

Oh, and I like the music, it's nice. :)
 
M

Master Hoomer

Member
:shock: no kabbalists outside of israel..oh my are you serious...? thats what they actually beleive?

:roll: well that would explain a LOT
 
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Truthseeker5

Member
On that site, there is a quote, "there are no kabbalists outside Israel" so tell me why the rest of us, outside Israel should bother learning about Kabbalah?

Oh, and I like the music, it's nice.
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Hi Maize,

Let me explain: There is a difference between somebody who studies Kabbalah and an actual Kabbalist. A Kabbalist is a person who has crossed what we call the Machsom - this is hebrew for barrier. The barrier being that which seperates us from the spiritual world. So a Kabbalist is a person who essentially lives in the Spiritual world whilst at the same time lives in this world. His job is then to teach others how to attain the same thing. People like me who study Kabbalah are people who are aspiring for the same thing to get to where the Kabbalist is. When you cross this barrier - this is the first time of actually feeling The Creator (Well actually you are feeling his essence rather than him.)What we have in our state is what we call blind faith I.E. We believe there is a God but we can't see him or feel him and we essentially only guess that he is there.

Once you cross the barrier you will actually be able to feel him and this is what we describe as faith. Why ? Well if you carry a gun with you, you will have faith that it is by your side right ? If you can feel The Creator - and I mean really feel him like you can feel the prescence of a friend or relation - then you will have faith in his existence ?

Now as far as I am aware Rabbi Michael Laitman is the only person who is teaching this and he lives in Israel. If there are others that have crossed the barrier then it does beg the question of where they are ? and why aren't they broadcasting this to the nations as it is instructed we do ? The good news Rabbi Laitman broadcasts lessons over the net and these are free. (It is advisable however that a person familiarises themself with the beginners material first.)

Have a look at this link: It may answer your question as to why people should study Kabbalah.

http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/need.htm
 
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Truthseeker5

Member
Master Hoomer,

I would just like to ask you one thing: What is the point of studying your version of Kabbalah ? What is the intention behind it ? Thats all I wan't to know.
 
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Truthseeker5

Member
Master Hoomer,

I would just like to ask you one thing: What is the point of studying your version of Kabbalah ? What is the intention behind it ? Thats all I wan't to know.
 
Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense, kinda... :?

Thank you for the link also.

Let me ask you, does Kabbalah believe or teach that everyone should learn it, or do they acknowledge that it's just not for some people?

Also, do you have to believe in the Judaic faith to follow Kabbalah?

Why do you think it's been such a "celebrity" religion, or is the media just making too much of a few celebrities who follow it?

Thanks :)
 
M

Master Hoomer

Member
Truth you are here on an agenda..to spread your truth..to force your beliefs down anothers throats..yes?

Please tell me that I am wrong and I will humbly apologise...but all your posts have exhibited ONE thing..the idea that we should listen to YOU...and ONLY YOU because we are ALL WRONG....

Please forgive me if I have miscontrude your posts....they have just led me to this conclusion.....

I'l say hello to pluto and minnie for you btw...

I guess it IS religion...such forcing of beleifs were inevitable eventually...Just never thought it'd be a kabblaist...as its kinda AGAINST everything kabbalah is about..lol :lol: cest la vie
 
T

Truthseeker5

Member
Thanks for the explanation, that makes sense, kinda...

Thank you for the link also.

Let me ask you, does Kabbalah believe or teach that everyone should learn it, or do they acknowledge that it's just not for some people?

Also, do you have to believe in the Judaic faith to follow Kabbalah?

Why do you think it's been such a "celebrity" religion, or is the media just making too much of a few celebrities who follow it?

Thanks
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Hi Maize,

Kabbalah just isn't for some people. You really need to feel a yeraning for it. We are not beating down peoples doors and saying look you must study this but what we do have to do is circulate and let ourselves known.

There is no prerequisite to studying Kabbalah, you can be of any faith and study it, it really doesn't matter. Some people say that you need tobe over 40 married and have already read The Torah and The Talmud but that is not the case.

Kabbalah has been given some publicity with the likes of Madonna and Liz Hurley studying it. They study with Rabbi Berg who runs the Kabbalah centre. Bnei Baruch are in no way affiliated with Rabbi Berg in an way. If people want to tie red strings round their arms to protect them against the evil thats fine. These people are actually helping because they are helping publicize Kabbalah. Hopefully we gain some advantage from this.
 
Green Gaia

Green Gaia

Veteran Member
Thanks Truthseeker. I wouldn't say I have a yearning to learn Kabbalah. But like all "religions" and philosophies, I'm curious and like to know a little about them. :)
 
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Truthseeker5

Member
Truth you are here on an agenda..to spread your truth..to force your beliefs down anothers throats..yes?

Please tell me that I am wrong and I will humbly apologise...but all your posts have exhibited ONE thing..the idea that we should listen to YOU...and ONLY YOU because we are ALL WRONG....

Please forgive me if I have miscontrude your posts....they have just led me to this conclusion.....

I'l say hello to pluto and minnie for you btw...

I guess it IS religion...such forcing of beleifs were inevitable eventually...Just never thought it'd be a kabblaist...as its kinda AGAINST everything kabbalah is about..lol cest la vie
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Master Hoomer,

As I have said I apologized if thats the way I came across. I have never hidden the fact that I am doing as much as I can to give as much publicity to Bnei Baruch as I can. This is as far as I am concerned of utmost importance. If you have got a problem with that fine you dont have to reply to any of my posts do you ?

So I hope I have answered your question with this. So I think you should do the same for me now. I asked you a question as to what the point of studying your version of Kabbalah is and yet you still haven't given me an answer to that ? Why ?
 
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Truthseeker5

Member
Thanks Truthseeker. I wouldn't say I have a yearning to learn Kabbalah. But like all "religions" and philosophies, I'm curious and like to know a little about them.
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Hi Maize,

Thats fine the point in the heart must be awakened, only people who feel that this is important will feel the need for it - but this is so very important. I find it strange that people who believe in God don't seem to be interested in meeting God whilst still living on this Earth - this is what Kabbalah promises! I don't know perhaps people don't believe it is possible. (I say this with the upmost respect to you.) However I think it makes more sense to try to reach him whilst still living than die and find out you were wrong.

Oh Maize check out the story of the Wizard on this section. Like I say I am not trying to convert just publicize.
 
M

Master Hoomer

Member
ok sorry i read the apology after I posted

my "goal" ..the great work
to find the holy grail.....

What is the Great Work?

"Do not pray for your own needs, for your prayer will not then be accepted. But when you want to pray, do so for the heaviness of the Head. For whatever you lack, the Divine Presence also lacks."

"This is because man is a "portion of God from on high." Whatever any part lacks, also exists in the Whole, and the Whole feels the lack of the part, You should therefore pray for the needs of the Whole."

The term "the Great Work" has many definitions, and is not a term from traditional Kabbalah, but it has a modern usage among some Kabbalists. The quotation above, from a disciple of the Kabbalist R. Israel Baal Shem Tov, is a traditional Kabbalistic view: that the creation is in a damaged and imperfect state, and the Kabbalist, by virtue of his or her state of consciousness, can bring about a real healing. A name for this is "tikkun" (restoration). There are many traditional forms of tikkun, most of them prescriptions for essentially magical acts designed to bring about a healing in the creation.

This view of the Great Work also exists outside of Judaic Kabbalah and survives today, namely that the creation is in a "fallen" state, and each person has an individual role to play in bringing about a general restoration.

"When someone stands in the light but does not give it out, then a shadow is created."

This is a modern restatement of an old Kabbalistic idea. In this view, God gives life to the Creation: from second to second the Creation is sustained by this giving, and if it were to cease even for an instant, the Creation would be no more. If someone wants to know God then they have to resemble God, and this means they must give to others. Kabbalah is not a self-centred pursuit; it pivots around the Kabbalist's relationship with all living beings


The above says it beeter than I could

visit the interior of the earth through purification you will find the hidden stone

Find the labryinth..enter it..find the middle...come back out and transform all reality,.....

that do?
 
Runt

Runt

Well-Known Member
I find it strange that people who believe in God don't seem to be interested in meeting God whilst still living on this Earth - this is what Kabbalah promises! I don't know perhaps people don't believe it is possible.
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I don't think it is that people don't WANT to meet God while still living on this Earth; I think it is that people believe that there are other ways to do it than through just the Kabbalah.

Do you believe Kabbalah is the only way to reach God while on this Earth? Or do you think it is possible for there to be other paths that lead to the same place?
 
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Truthseeker5

Member
Hi Master Hoomer,

I read your post with great interest.

You mention things like Tikkun ect, ect. We also use this word a lot (Tikkun meaning correction in English.) Tikkun for us is a process of correcting each desire to recieve in order to recieve and reversing it to a desire to recieve in order to bestow. Gmar Tikkun (Final correction.) is when the created being has corrected all of his desires and fully merged with The Creator as one.

I liked this part of your post:

If someone wants to know God then they have to resemble God, and this means they must give to others.
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I agree with the first of this man must learn to be alturistic - couldn't agree more. So giving to others is alturistic ? Charity is alturistic ? and doing so called "good" deeds is alturistic ? No not in my opinion. "Giving" to charity, the poor ect ect is anything but it is a completely egoistic act and whats more it decieves a person into believeing he is alturistic.

Check it out. I met a charity worker on the tube the other day we got talking and I asked him why he did what he did. He said "Because it doesn't make me feel so guilty." In this case it is clear the real motivation behind his act of "giving" is the relief of guilt. I also know a social worker who when I asked why she did it, she told me: "Well it makes me feel proud of myself, it makes feel like I have done something good" Again I challenge you all: what is the real motivation behind these so called acts of giving ?

All these people Mother Theresa, The Angel of Mostar or whatever her name is and anybody like these people are not alturistic at all. They Kid themselves and decieve the nations and want people to believe that they are saints but they are not they are still egoistic to the core. Through their own actions they consider themselves righteous, saintly and good. The truth is they are after self-glorification, they are self righteous and try to make everbody believe that they are such wonderful people. Oh how man wishes to attain praise in the eyes of others. "WHAT AN OUTRAGEOUS THING TO COME OUT WITH!!!!" I hear you say. Well look don't take my word for it, ask a charity worker what motivates them to do what they do and you will almost immediately hear the word I. I,I,I,I,I,I,I,.

In our present state we have absolutely no concept whatsoever of what alturism is. Every act we make is dictated only by an egoistic calculation. I.E. Is it worth dragging myself out of bed at 4am to watch the boxing on HBO or not ? Is it worth saving up a lot of money to go on an expensive holiday ? Is it worth dragging myself to the toilet or not ? Is it worth invading another country or not ? Every little thing we do is motivated by a desire to recieve for ourselves nothing more. It is our only motivating force.

P.S. Master Hoomer this is not an attack on you by you the way. But I have to lift the lid on this myth that charity and the aformentioned acts are alturistic.
 
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Truthseeker5

Member
Hi Runt,

I believe that Kabbalah is the only method by which a person can correct himself and cross the barrier between corpreality and spirituality. What is spirituality ? That which transcends the barriers between time and space.

I believe that all people will come to this as it says in the torah:

"From the greatest to the least of them all will know me"
 
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Truthseeker5

Member
I think I should just add to the charity point that people often think that if they are charitable they will gurantee themselves a place in heaven.

Giving to Charity = Going to Heaven.......................... = Another egoistic calculation nothing alturistic about it in the slightest.
 
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