A British talk to muslim scholar!!

[sesame]

A British man came to muslim scholar and asked…
‘Why is it not permissible in Islam for women to shake hands with a man…?’

The Scholar replied…
‘Can you shake hands with Queen Elizabeth…?’

British man said…
‘Of course not… there are only certain people who can shake hands with Queen Elizabeth…’

Scholar said…
‘Our women are queens and queens do not shake hands with strange men…’

Then the British man asked the Scholar again…
‘Why do your girls cover up their body and hair…?’

The Scholar smiled and got two sweets…
he opened the first one and kept the other one closed…
He threw them both on the dusty floor and asked the British…
‘If I asked you to take one of the sweets which one will you choose…?’

The British replied…
‘The covered one…’

The Scholar said…
‘That’s how we treat and see our women…’

 

[Orbital]

Great, the first one states that the British man is just as fallacious as the Muslim scholar in thinking that there are some magical aspects to some beings.

The second one makes the case that an arbitrary rule to cover up female means to keep it safe for the male and that anyone that does not cover up is "dirty" like the other candy. While a candy that has already been opened is clearly more susceptible to the bacteria on the hand, whether or not you cover your body/hair does not add any stain to a person. This view of the people around you and judging their 'cleanliness' on how they dress is unreasonable and frankly extremely superficial.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

A British man came to muslim scholar and asked…
‘Why is it not permissible in Islam for women to shake hands with a man…?’

The Scholar replied…
‘Can you shake hands with Queen Elizabeth…?’

British man said…
‘Of course not… there are only certain people who can shake hands with Queen Elizabeth…’

Scholar said…
‘Our women are queens and queens do not shake hands with strange men…’

The Queen is allowed to shake hands with anyone, provided she initiates it. So much for that analogy.

You don't shake hands with Queen Elizabeth; she shakes hands with you.

BTW - the Queen worked as a mechanic in the Army motor pool during WWII. Would this be permissible in your version of Islam?

Then the British man asked the Scholar again…
‘Why do your girls cover up their body and hair…?’

The Scholar smiled and got two sweets…
he opened the first one and kept the other one closed…
He threw them both on the dusty floor and asked the British…
‘If I asked you to take one of the sweets which one will you choose…?’

The British replied…
‘The covered one…’

The Scholar said…
‘That’s how we treat and see our women…’

... as consumable objects whose worth is only defined through the eyes of men? Lovely.

 

[outhouse]

‘That’s how we treat and see our women…’

so they keep their women covered so they dont get dirty when they throw them on the ground?


just picking on the anology


I find it a poor one. It doesnt fit the real reason why they keep their women covered at all.

it should be dealing with modesty the men force on the women and the women accept.

 

[beenie]

In addition to what everyone else said, what about the modesty MEN are supposed to show to women?

Justifying "covering women up for their betterment" is getting tiresome.

 

[England my lionheart]

A British man came to muslim scholar and asked…
‘Why is it not permissible in Islam for women to shake hands with a man…?’

The Scholar replied…
‘Can you shake hands with Queen Elizabeth…?’

Lol,it helps if you are the same room as the Queen in the first place,then of course there is the question,do you go around shaking hands with strangers.

British man said…
‘Of course not… there are only certain people who can shake hands with Queen Elizabeth…’

Baloney

Scholar said…
‘Our women are queens and queens do not shake hands with strange men…’

Lol,do you shake hands with strange Men

Then the British man asked the Scholar again…
‘Why do your girls cover up their body and hair…?’

Because their religion makes them cover up could be the answer to that one

The Scholar smiled and got two sweets…
he opened the first one and kept the other one closed…
He threw them both on the dusty floor and asked the British…‘If I asked you to take one of the sweets which one will you choose…?’

The red one

The British replied…
‘The covered one…’

I would have said the red one,if there wasn't a red one i wouldn't want either

The Scholar said…
‘That’s how we treat and see our women…’

Its quite a woeful analogy IMO

 

[kai]

how many do you want?


P.S. I know i know we kicked him out after, well he was the Libyan ambassador

 

[Copernicus]

If all women could agree not to shake hands with Muslim men or have anything to do with those who refused to cover their hair or bodies, then I believe that misogynistic reasoning like that found in the OP would disappear very quickly.

 

[Breathe]

A covered, candy queeny. Right.

Comparing women to confectionery treats isn't the most flattering of things.

I feel this (fake, obviously) story has quite a few problems with it, which others have mentioned. There are better explanations than comparing women to sweets, or like in other stories, meat. If such a story were true, then it would appear to be very insulting to refer to someone like that whom any Muslim would call 'sister'.

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Is it true that in Islam that a woman is only worth half as much as a man?

I'm asking because i'm not sure if all Muslims believe this, or whether it's a belief that only certain societies embrace.

 

[Meow Mix]

Hopefully you listen to some of the arguments that have already been made to understand why your arguments here are just thinly veiled misogyny.

 

[Mr Spinkles]

Is it true that in Islam that a woman is only worth half as much as a man?

No. There are extremists who view women that way, however.

 

[kai]

Is it true that in Islam that a woman is only worth half as much as a man?

I'm asking because i'm not sure if all Muslims believe this, or whether it's a belief that only certain societies embrace.

No. There are extremists who view women that way, however.

women do have equal rights in Islam but a lot of them seem to be as long as a man agrees. Its a complex matter and a lot depends on interpretation;



Muslim women are not forbidden from going out in the community, working, or visiting relatives and female friends, if there is no objection from their guardian/husband and they are covered and behave and speak according to Islamic guidelines and, if necessary, escorted by their Mahram (a close male relative). However, a woman’s home should be the main base that she works from. Allah (SWT) instructed the wife’s of the Prophet (SAW):

Women's Rights In Islam

Women in Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[The Neo Nerd]

Ok thanks for your input guys.

 

[Badran]

Of course the first analogy attempts to answer for only those who think its not permitted for women and men to shake hands in Islam. Thats not how it is however. Only some Muslims hold that view.

Aside from that, i agree that both analogies are ridiculous, and that the second one is not very respectful towards women.

 

[Badran]

Is it true that in Islam that a woman is only worth half as much as a man?

I'm asking because i'm not sure if all Muslims believe this, or whether it's a belief that only certain societies embrace.

No, in Islam, everybody is equal. And its clarified in the Quran that God expects the same from both women and men.

As Mr Spinkles said however, some people may hold different views. I wouldn't say those people view women as "worth half as much as a man". In fact, i never heard any Muslim, scholar or not put it that way. But some Muslims, particularly in certain societies, view women in a way not very different from the way women were viewed in your society for example some time ago, only with their own unique ways (according to their culture).

In other words, of course some Muslims (and people in general) still view women in certain stereotypes that does not fit well with the idea of women and men being equal.

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

Badran so would you as a Muslim also say that a woman would not have to wear the headscarf if she didn't want to, or wouldn't have to have a man escort her in public?

 

[Badran]

Badran so would you as a Muslim also say that a woman would not have to wear the headscarf if she didn't want to,

The decision is only her's to make.

or wouldn't have to have a man escort her in public?

I don't believe such thing is required in the first place, but even if it was, once again that would be something up to her. None of us (Muslims) are perfect or follow every instruction we're given, women obviously are not an exception of that. They don't need us to "help" them follow their religion better.

 

[Many Sages One Truth]

Badran people like you give me hope for the future of Islam

 

[beenie]

Of course the first analogy attempts to answer for only those who think its not permitted for women and men to shake hands in Islam. Thats not how it is however. Only some Muslims hold that view.

Aside from that, i agree that both analogies are ridiculous, and that the second one is not very respectful towards women.

No, in Islam, everybody is equal. And its clarified in the Quran that God expects the same from both women and men.

As Mr Spinkles said however, some people may hold different views. I wouldn't say those people view women as "worth half as much as a man". In fact, i never heard any Muslim, scholar or not put it that way. But some Muslims, particularly in certain societies, view women in a way not very different from the way women were viewed in your society for example some time ago, only with their own unique ways (according to their culture).

In other words, of course some Muslims (and people in general) still view women in certain stereotypes that does not fit well with the idea of women and men being equal.

The decision is only her's to make.



I don't believe such thing is required in the first place, but even if it was, once again that would be something up to her. None of us (Muslims) are perfect or follow every instruction we're given, women obviously are not an exception of that. They don't need us to "help" them follow their religion better.

Couldn't have said it better myself.