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A Bunch of Reasons Why I Question Noah's Flood Story:

ecco

Veteran Member
Note how you changed the topic again.
No, I didn't. The topic is refuting all the nonsensical ideas you post.

You talked about water covering the earth.
I commented on the vast amount of water needed to cover Everest.
You said there were no high mountains before the flood.
I asked how they got there after the flood.
You presented a link to a creationist engineer pretending to have knowledge of geology.
I pointed out problems with his arguments and showed that people with far more knowledge also said he was ignorant.

Now you want us to discuss the fossil record. As I already stated, you and I have not discussed the fossil record and I have no intention of starting now.

Your flood theory needs a lot more support than just fossils. From the posts I have read, from both sides, your concepts have a lot of flaws. Add to that, you cannot account for mountains growing rapidly in just a few thousand years. Lose, lose.
 
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ecco

Veteran Member
You'll need to demonstrate your open-minded assertion is more than wind.

So, I say your comments are nothing more than an assertion on your part and your best response is the equivalent of a second-graders "Did too"! Is that really the best you can do?


I have many posts from you that show you are closed minded.

There you go again, making assertions, but being unable to show evidence for them. Is that really the best you can do?
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
Again this is not supposed to be controversial stuff,
@F1fan already agreed, so why cant you?
All leroy has to do is defer to what science says. Just read reputable sources and apply what you learn. Adding commentary that is misleading and inaccurate, like suggesting that evolution should behave certain ways, is where you are creating problems.
 

F1fan

Veteran Member
But you are unable to quote a comment were I demonstrated ignorance …
Any of the posts where you speculate "what if X happened in evolution, like your nonsense about feathers on mammals, all that is irrelevant to anything. These comments show ignorance because it is irrelevant for anyone to speculate 'what if'. You're doing it to ignore 'what is'.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
No, because there are thousands of ancient stories that have non-factual and exaggerated elements which renders them embellished. This is a fact, not opinion.



Facts, reason, and reality on my side.


The inner conflict must be a ***** when you are presented with facts and reason that demonstrate your views are completely wrong. Quite a few here are correcting your errors of belief and judgment. You don't even have a working knowledge base of science to help present your arguments. All that is on you.


If you are going to present a hypothetical and one element is an actual person that exists, then that person can exist, unlike any of the thousands of gods humans have referred to in lore.



Apart from a few autocorrects my computer made, yes, that is what I said. And it's true that the gods people like you refer to behave as if they don't exist given the facts that rational people examine to inform us what is true about reality.

So if your god exists, it acts as if it doesn't given the facts we know about. It's more likely you are mistaken in your guess that a god exists.


It's odd you're going off on these irrelevant tangents instead of presenting facts that any god exists outside of human imagination.

I predict you won't.
If I were talking to someone else, or someone not like you, I would consider that evidence with them.
Time is precious.
 

NewGuyOnTheBlock

Cult Survivor/Fundamentalist Pentecostal Apostate
It is my opinion that you give Noah's Flood Story far more credence than it deserves.

Haha, too much time on YouTube watching the likes of Aron Ra and NonStampCollector.

All I saying is that evolution allows for a wide range of data, sure in this reality mammals evolved 200M years ago and birds 150M years ago, but things could have been different mammals snd birds could have evolved at any other date (given the correct conditions)

The conditions weren't correct. I fail to see how "This feather was dropped outside of the vacuum and didn't accelerate at 32 feet per second per second" disproves the theory of gravity. Likewise, I fail to see how 'mammals didn't evolve in the cambrian because the conditions weren't right" is even remotely a debating point.

Well if the conditions would have been adequate, why couldn’t mammals evolve 500 years ago (in the Cambrian?)

Who says they couldn't have? The conditions weren't correct. The objection is noted and dismissed as having all the credence of the aforementioned feaher.

The theory of evolution happens to be very flexible and consistent with a wide range of data, both random mutations and natural selection are chaotic and hard to predict.

Evolution has given us powers of prediction and predictions that have been successful.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
How much water is above us accumulated in cloud mass versus science caused God earth radiation fall out? With the massive evaporation flooding occurring?

Would not know.

History irrational scientist built machines atop mountains knows temples were once science. Sees temples today built in very strange mountain peaks.

Temples transmitted to temples. Machines to machines.

Machine theist in modern times said let's experiment on sacrificed human victims we should find the machine signals and then rebuild ancient theory pyramid for new machine.

We are not a machine.
Theist confesses says humans have to be bio mechanical.

A liar.

Ask why life is attacked see your brother for the liar he is.

Natural mass is just mass as a heavens. Mass owns no order. The teaching about gods heavens.

Natural gases burnt fell out is not any machine signal. Reason human life sacrificed.

Water mountain gas mass above us is very cold not like ground state. Ice would be closest cold and it is melting.

So we relive his science thesis I can do whatever I want. The elite allow it.

We were harmed as ground life is not cold like the one state the mass of heavens. Extreme cold in the mass allows extreme heat to exist within the same mass balances each condition.

Remove ice support owning gas cooling support by ground state extreme heavenly cold versus summer would change and we would die. As summer would no longer be cooled to be summer.

Why garden nature died on various earth places.

Brother says as sink holes UFO causes opens the ground. Not in my country. My god keeps me safe. Once sink holes opened everywhere was not sporadic attacks. Seen today sporadic. Channel constant not yet opened says scientist to theism.

Brother mind psyche conditions his belief upon his owned nations science holy books numbers lied.

The sun is a burning hot mass. A sun equals a sun as a science answer.

Was told that theme informed as a theist says before earth .....
science never owned the natural bodies as powers in space by mass.

Yet you infer thesis including them.

The sun owned entry suck down into the deep state to cool it. The sun is not a metal. Smaller sun ejected mass cooled in deeper space became sun metal.

Thesis a sun metal. Consuming sun is first. Cold sun metal not first.

From deep space history. An asteroid stone colder is also a lesser radiation of gases. Science man said God was the St one.

Sun metals cooled also came from deep state. No longer consuming.

Two colder forms were produced in the deep state but origins form was the radiating space.

Deep state a thinker says is the lowest. Yet it is just empty space.

Science theories by want to copy is a claim I now want my machine from hot metal history and it's reaction to own deep state. Theory about a reaction only.

A science theist answer is only for the mass presence small machine. What the thesis said would be left after reaction. Design metal machine plus reaction is not a theory for natural mass anywhere in space.

He just pretends it is.

As earth as God X mass would be gone destroyed for it to become like his saviour God asteroid stone. His studies a lesser higher radiation stone colder. Meaning earths metals would need to be removed.

As a theist pretending what I want God to be as my equals by my science machine laws. I will force it

As his thesis is only about the saviour for his machine reaction.

God the earth stone mass had been converted by a hot sun to own hot metals first.

Evolution cooled earth form.

Sun metals never cooled in eviction they cooled pulled into lower deep space the state the coldest.

Brother scientist already said he is wrong as science the status was always wrong.

A human self as bio life owned de manifestation. His personal man want as a human to return into my own eternal form. Part of the reasoning in his theories. Intent machine will allow it.

Creation disappears by being consumed. Self human life body proven disappeared in asteroid lesser radiation released into earths heavens.

Why he wants the saviour state only as he personally as a human man wants to go back into the eternal form. Meaning de manifestation as a theory.

Never any equals answer to cause copy. Humans aren't the wandering star stone is.

His theories spatial always includes in thinking where he says a human life began from. His theory is a human form began from the activation hot dense state.

His brother said you are lying human life began as owned presence after a monkey ape life inside earths heavens.

Intent I want God the earth to only be his saviour asteroid stone thesis.

God the earth is nothing like God the saviour star.

Intention. Invention meaning I will cause create then invent my outcome theoried by my human self just as a human. Pretending I am the creator of all things.

Reason for his owned science man destroyer warnings in medical bible documents. Human DNA genesis attacked in living human DNA self presence.

Noah's Ark was a human detailing how human life survived yet most of our DNA eradicated in UFO ark attack above our heads in the mountains.

Heavens flooded rain in Egypt as it returned water mass back to the ground that it had been removed from.

Counted forty days of rain. Said it occurred in Egypt where it was activated.

Flooding however can be anywhere anytime.

If he said it flooded everywhere then it did. Radiation as the effect would have evaporated removed water presence and shifted it.

Some inside of the earth's bored out tunnels new sin holes. Or covered over cities once living on dry land as evidence.

Temple science activated.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
If I were talking to someone else, or someone not like you, I would consider that evidence with them.
Time is precious.
You always say "I got nothin'" the same way every time. You had time to write the post. You have time to make those giant long posts full of different font sizes, colors and erratic bolding. Huh.
 

nPeace

Veteran Member
Well, I'm coming from the position that there may well be a god but it's really very unlikely likely that god is anything like that described by the texts and traditions of one sect among thousands.

I am. Are you?

So for example, the evidence seems to be that Jesus was a real historical person. The evidence suggests that there was no global flood. And so on.

The flood narrative seems more like a work of storytelling than historical document.


Maybe the stories resonate particularly for them. There is incredible power in storytelling.
I read some things today which helps me to see where you are coming from, but I think it's a matter of knowledge.
Almost everyone thinks they have the true knowledge.
However, we know there is accurate knowledge, and falsely called knowledge.

For me, I think once we are sure of which knowledge is accurate, there is no need to doubt it.
Which I guess is what puzzles me with those who claim to believe in God - a supernatural being, and claim to accept the Bible.

I can't seem to see how the argument of "no evidence" or "evidence against" works for such persons.

I can understand a person saying these people are lying, or made up stuff, or are just plain cuckoo, but if the supernatural is accepted by someone, why would they need to see the Red Sea part, and people who believe in God, and claim protection from that being, cross over on dry land.

Can the supernatural not accomplish that?
Then why claim you need evidence?
I think that argument is incompatible with belief in God, because if someone says there is no evidence for the flood, it is quite the same as someone saying, there is no evidence for God.

I see the evidence for both, even though it requires an element of faith, because I cannot show anyone the evidence directly, but I can see it, based on a collection of facts.
Circumstantial evidence is often used in many areas of our life, but it's evidence, nonetheless.
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
I read some things today which helps me to see where you are coming from, but I think it's a matter of knowledge.
Almost everyone thinks they have the true knowledge.
However, we know there is accurate knowledge, and falsely called knowledge.

For me, I think once we are sure of which knowledge is accurate, there is no need to doubt it.
Which I guess is what puzzles me with those who claim to believe in God - a supernatural being, and claim to accept the Bible.

I can't seem to see how the argument of "no evidence" or "evidence against" works for such persons.

I can understand a person saying these people are lying, or made up stuff, or are just plain cuckoo, but if the supernatural is accepted by someone, why would they need to see the Red Sea part, and people who believe in God, and claim protection from that being, cross over on dry land.

Can the supernatural not accomplish that?
Then why claim you need evidence?
I think that argument is incompatible with belief in God, because if someone says there is no evidence for the flood, it is quite the same as someone saying, there is no evidence for God.

I see the evidence for both, even though it requires an element of faith, because I cannot show anyone the evidence directly, but I can see it, based on a collection of facts.
Circumstantial evidence is often used in many areas of our life, but it's evidence, nonetheless.
If it requires faith, then you have no evidence nor need of evidence. How do you not get that?
 

Dan From Smithville

The Flying Elvises, Utah Chapter
Staff member
Premium Member
I read some things today which helps me to see where you are coming from, but I think it's a matter of knowledge.
Almost everyone thinks they have the true knowledge.
However, we know there is accurate knowledge, and falsely called knowledge.

For me, I think once we are sure of which knowledge is accurate, there is no need to doubt it.
Which I guess is what puzzles me with those who claim to believe in God - a supernatural being, and claim to accept the Bible.

I can't seem to see how the argument of "no evidence" or "evidence against" works for such persons.

I can understand a person saying these people are lying, or made up stuff, or are just plain cuckoo, but if the supernatural is accepted by someone, why would they need to see the Red Sea part, and people who believe in God, and claim protection from that being, cross over on dry land.

Can the supernatural not accomplish that?
Then why claim you need evidence?
I think that argument is incompatible with belief in God, because if someone says there is no evidence for the flood, it is quite the same as someone saying, there is no evidence for God.

I see the evidence for both, even though it requires an element of faith, because I cannot show anyone the evidence directly, but I can see it, based on a collection of facts.
Circumstantial evidence is often used in many areas of our life, but it's evidence, nonetheless.
What puzzles me are those people that claim to believe in God and that the Bible is the literal dictation of God about events that actually happened as described, yet must be unable to see that they consider God's nature to be a lie.
 
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