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Well that clears it all up.
First of all not all Jews will agree with you on that. In fact some do take it literally.
Really, that's funny. It must be a small, fringe element. But irrelevant. Genesis isn't interpreted literally by Jews.
Nope, it's the Jew's book. Christians abducted it and changed many of the meanings. That's why there are still Jews, and they don't agree with what Christians did with it.
There is no evidence. That's why science is superior and doesn't back up your interpretation.
You said. The explanations I have read from actual scientists that know a thing or two about pressure and temperature say it would be more than a hothouse. It would have been a soup caldron.
My faith in God is not reduced to anything of the sort. It is a realistic response to your reliance on speculation and the fact that it is obvious your knowledge of science is more in the vein of Marvel Comics than in Science 101.This is what your faith in God is reduced to?
You think that humans know all there is to know about science? Good grief! Humans know nothing compared to what the Creator knows.....you have your faith in the wrong people. You will find out soon enough though I guess.
Lots of things make sense to you that defy logic. Like the risk of death exposing children to disease is better than the lesser risk of taking vaccines for those diseases. I don't have a foot in both camps. I just don't deny God's other Word. The natural world.
Another yellow face. That'll show me who is correct. The polar ice caps would not exist as they do now if there was a flood of water covering the entire earth. That ice floats and that fact seems to escape you. You like to post facts that are irrelevant to the discussion and then harumph proudly as if you did something.Yes, I do know that.....its a unique principle of water to float when its frozen, when everything other liquid sinks. Can you tell me why its a good thing in connection with the polar ice caps? What would have happened to the waters under the ice that teem with life if the frozen waters had sunk to the bottom? Think about it....
It is difficult for me to speculate on something that doesn't exist and events that there is no evidence ever took place. But you have come up with something completely implausible and in defiance of the evidence and physics. Hoorah!
With your expressed knowledge of science, a flood chickens probably makes sense to you.
The most skilled mountaineers with the best equipment can do the assent in about 40 hours tops. You think that people were making use of that to escape the flood. By the point that they could they would have been bashed to pieces by the immense power of the waves. It would have been the end of all life. Scientists estimate that there are 8.7 million species of plants on earth. Somehow they all managed to survive in defiance of God if your flood belief is true.
You never evaluate what you say. You just charge on into subjects you know nothing about as if you were a world authority.
What is fascinating is that you think you don't have that ignorance.
Have I made that sort of mendacious claim about your faith? No. Never. I refuse to do that.Jesus said it happened.....and said we would live in a parallel time when he was due to return....are you calling him a liar?
Again, I refuse to sink to this level. You apparently are not made of ice. Since the first post of mine that you responded to, you have shown a propensity to avoid questions that you should be able to answer, but cannot and turn everything into a personal attack on the person asking them or pointing out the flaws in your very flawed thinking and claims. I choose to address only what you claim and leave it to God to determine the strength of your faith.
Do you have any evidence for an ocean of water in the sky?LOL...who said? Maybe it could explain why Genesis says that it had never rained before the flood. The water canopy would have evened out earths temperatures and made it like a hot house where living things would thrive in that warm moist atmosphere. They have dug up palm trees in the permafrost in Siberia.....how could that be? And Mammoths with grass still in their mouths, snap frozen....can science explain that?
This is what your faith in God is reduced to?
You think that humans know all there is to know about science? Good grief! Humans know nothing compared to what the Creator knows.....you have your faith in the wrong people. You will find out soon enough though I guess.
There were reasons for the flood that probably escape you because you never really bothered to find out about the details supplied in Genesis and the rest of the Bible. It all makes perfect sense to me and to millions of others who don't need to hedge their bets and have a foot in both camps.....
Yes, I do know that.....its a unique principle of water to float when its frozen, when everything other liquid sinks. Can you tell me why its a good thing in connection with the polar ice caps? What would have happened to the waters under the ice that teem with life if the frozen waters had sunk to the bottom? Think about it....
If earth's climate was more uniform with that water canopy in place, and all of a sudden the roof was lifted off the hot house, what do you think would have happened? Open to the elements now, the only place that would be uniformly warm would be the equator, and with the earth's tilt, whatever hemisphere was closest to the sun. The polar regions would instantly freeze and with the magnetic pull of the poles, the water would have been drawn up and frozen in place.
Makes sense to me, especially when I see all the warnings about those ice caps melting and inundating the whole earth.
Above Mt Everest? probably not, but what about the poor souls who might seek refuge there trying to live in that hostile environment and getting enough to eat.....it would be the end of all life.
I don't think you have properly evaluated what you have said....but then you haven't done that with a lot of things that are part and parcel of Christianity.....
What's fascinating is your complete ignorance of the God you claim to worship.
Jesus said it happened.....and said we would live in a parallel time when he was due to return....are you calling him a liar?
How can you call yourself a Christian if you can't even believe what he said?
What evidence?
I think he has made his point. There is no evidence that supports a global flood as it is described in Genesis. I have been in this debate for over 30 years and I have seen no evidence that supports the claim of a global flood. I have seen valid and well-supported papers by physicists and geologist that demonstrate that it could not have occurred based on what we know of physics. Borrowing some radically unexpected and unprecedented discovery that our entire understanding of physics is so flawed to the point it is useless, these papers remain unrefuted.
I think Christianity has a hard time with it's conceptual structure. The tradition of belief is that much of the concepts are to be interpreted as real or true and not merely symbolic. But I think it can only make sense symbolically. It would be much easier on believers to not struggle with what's supposed to be true and what symbolic.
It is what the Bible indicates. Personally, I think the Noah story was based on a real flood, but one of local/regional scale and not the entire world. It just sort of got bigger with each retelling in oral tradition before what appear are two versions were written down as one.
I know a lot of Christians that do not view it as literal and some that do. More often it is believed as a literal event in the more fundamentalist forms of Christianity.
None view as literal
Many claim to. Many claim that it was a real event just as it is described in the Bible.
LOL...who said? Maybe it could explain why Genesis says that it had never rained before the flood. The water canopy would have evened out earths temperatures and made it like a hot house where living things would thrive in that warm moist atmosphere. They have dug up palm trees in the permafrost in Siberia.....how could that be? And Mammoths with grass still in their mouths, snap frozen....can science explain that?
This is what your faith in God is reduced to?
You think that humans know all there is to know about science? Good grief! Humans know nothing compared to what the Creator knows.....you have your faith in the wrong people. You will find out soon enough though I guess.
There were reasons for the flood that probably escape you because you never really bothered to find out about the details supplied in Genesis and the rest of the Bible. It all makes perfect sense to me and to millions of others who don't need to hedge their bets and have a foot in both camps.....
Yes, I do know that.....its a unique principle of water to float when its frozen, when everything other liquid sinks. Can you tell me why its a good thing in connection with the polar ice caps? What would have happened to the waters under the ice that teem with life if the frozen waters had sunk to the bottom? Think about it....
If earth's climate was more uniform with that water canopy in place, and all of a sudden the roof was lifted off the hot house, what do you think would have happened? Open to the elements now, the only place that would be uniformly warm would be the equator, and with the earth's tilt, whatever hemisphere was closest to the sun. The polar regions would instantly freeze and with the magnetic pull of the poles, the water would have been drawn up and frozen in place.
Makes sense to me, especially when I see all the warnings about those ice caps melting and inundating the whole earth.
Above Mt Everest? probably not, but what about the poor souls who might seek refuge there trying to live in that hostile environment and getting enough to eat.....it would be the end of all life.
I don't think you have properly evaluated what you have said....but then you haven't done that with a lot of things that are part and parcel of Christianity.....
What's fascinating is your complete ignorance of the God you claim to worship.
Jesus said it happened.....and said we would live in a parallel time when he was due to return....are you calling him a liar?
How can you call yourself a Christian if you can't even believe what he said?
Nope
Must’ve been a little sprinkle
Nope what?
I can only go with what the Bible claims and what others claim about it. I already accept that what they called the "whole world" was only their little piece of it. But a literal view means a literal view for many. You are providing an argument for something I already consider as a valid interpretation of the Bible that does not demand that you literally think that the entire world is what is meant by those passages talking about the world. But again, the Bible says world and many people literally believe it was the entire world.
