A Candid Discussion on Homosexuality

[we-live-now]

In discussing whether homosexuality is right or wrong, much of the logic that homosexuality should be justified and accepted is based on the argument that it is natural. Secondly, that it is based on two people loving each other, so there is no harm. If this is the case, it seems that these points only raises other issues, which offset the argument that homosexuality is okay and creates difficulty for its acceptance in society. Unless these raised issues are addressed, all of which stems from these points, then the argument that homosexuality is okay will remain invalid. Here, let us have a open-mined, honest, and candid discussion, on the following issues raised from these points.

When you say that homosexuality is natural, then what is the natural way that homosexuals have sex? In other words, explain how sex between those of the same gender is in accordance to nature. Also, if homosexuality is natural, then is it not also an abnormality or a dysfunction? After all, if a person is born with more than 10 fingers, two eyes or less, a tail or wings, etc. we call this an abnormality. Yet a male who is born with the natural ability to produce sperm and make a baby with a female, but has no sexual attraction to a female, why is this not considered an abnormality, rather than natural? The same applies to a female who is created by nature to have a baby by a male, but has no sexual attraction to them.

When you say there is no harm in homosexuality because two people love each other and are happy, then why would it be wrong to sell drugs to someone, as long as they are consenting adults and they are happy?

If homosexual sex is truly based on love, then what is the difference in the sexual nature of attraction between men and women that makes the same sex love each other sexually, but not the opposite sex?

None of these questions are stated to argue that homosexuality is unnatural or wrong. Rather, I only raise this discussion to highlight the problem with the answer that homosexuality is okay because it is harmless and natural. If this is the reasoning for some, then let's not stop there. If this is your reasoning, then it is essential to justify such reasoning if you expect someone to accept that homosexuality is okay because it is natural and based on love and happiness, without answering the following questions presented above.


Let's have a dialogue.

We are forgetting that all things "natural" = SPIRITUAL DEATH! "Natural" life is spiritual DEATH. This entire realm and world we are now in is under law which is spiritual death. All things and people in it regardless of their sexual orientation are DYING naturally. Law is separation and division (darkness) of man himself, but also separation of man with God. Only union of God and man is life and God only cares about life not natural actions and choices. All forms of man in union with man OR EVEN WOMAN is death or what the law defines as sin. This is the part that most don't realize. The TRUE marriage is between man's spirit and GOD HIMSELF not between a human man and a human woman. God needs to reveal to us the TRUE meaning of the words of Jesus when he said "God joined them as one". The "man" was Jesus himself, the TRUE spirit man. The "woman" was actually mankind who was married to him spiritually. See Genesis 1:26-27. Jesus is the "him" that was created in GOD'S OWN IMAGE, but at the same time, he also created a being called "them" that were both male and female. All mankind (humans) in this current realm of law/darkness is "the WOMAN" (female) who will die no matter what. All things under law will die regardless of their coupling in the natural realm. As long as they are also joined to the one TRUE SPIRITUAL man (Jesus) they will live though (after "death" and even now "in" Death) God does grant the ability to duplicate yourself and create more beings when a man couples with a "female" man (woman), but even they are born into spiritual death until they are united with God via his Son Jesus. Then, whether they are a heterosexual or homosexual, they will live forever as it's is GOD'S responsibility to change or adjust those things. I am a heterosexual male.

we-live-now

 

[Rick O'Shez]

There are so many discussions on homosexuality on this forum, I can't keep up with them all!!

Maybe we should roll them all into one like: "The great sexual orientation debate"?

 

[Drolefille]

Nah because they'll never listen to the simple truth - We're ok not being straight. Despite my attraction to people regardless of gender, I'm not worried about going to hell. I'm not adding to the general suffering of the world. I'm happy with myself and the things in my life that are problems aren't even close to being related to my sexuality.

There's no debate to be had about whether we're OK or not. Cause we're good. They can think otherwise, but they can kiss off.

 

[asm Jenkins]

Its more natural for a man to have sex with another man than it is for a human to drink milk from a cow.

If that is true why didn't God put only men on earth?
Why even bother creating women?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Why even bother creating women?

To do the washing up.

 

[asm Jenkins]

Nah because they'll never listen to the simple truth - We're ok not being straight. Despite my attraction to people regardless of gender, I'm not worried about going to hell. I'm not adding to the general suffering of the world. I'm happy with myself and the things in my life that are problems aren't even close to being related to my sexuality.

There's no debate to be had about whether we're OK or not. Cause we're good. They can think otherwise, but they can kiss off.

A tree is natural. God is not. Therefore God is unnatural, like homosexuality, allegedely.

Ciao

- viole

The fact is, we're

 

[Storm]

If that is true why didn't God put only men on earth?
Why even bother creating women?

Are you really under the impression that this is a remotely sensible, let alone intelligent question?

 

[columbus]

[QUOTE="asm Jenkins, post: 4073676, member:f that is true why didn't God put only men on earth?
Why even bother creating women?[/QUOTE]


You know why wedding dresses are white?

To match the rest of the appliances.

Tom

To match

 

[Somkid]

In discussing whether homosexuality is right or wrong, much of the logic that homosexuality should be justified and accepted is based on the argument that it is natural. Secondly, that it is based on two people loving each other, so there is no harm. If this is the case, it seems that these points only raises other issues, which offset the argument that homosexuality is okay and creates difficulty for its acceptance in society. Unless these raised issues are addressed, all of which stems from these points, then the argument that homosexuality is okay will remain invalid. Here, let us have a open-mined, honest, and candid discussion, on the following issues raised from these points.

When you say that homosexuality is natural, then what is the natural way that homosexuals have sex? In other words, explain how sex between those of the same gender is in accordance to nature. Also, if homosexuality is natural, then is it not also an abnormality or a dysfunction? After all, if a person is born with more than 10 fingers, two eyes or less, a tail or wings, etc. we call this an abnormality. Yet a male who is born with the natural ability to produce sperm and make a baby with a female, but has no sexual attraction to a female, why is this not considered an abnormality, rather than natural? The same applies to a female who is created by nature to have a baby by a male, but has no sexual attraction to them.

When you say there is no harm in homosexuality because two people love each other and are happy, then why would it be wrong to sell drugs to someone, as long as they are consenting adults and they are happy?

If homosexual sex is truly based on love, then what is the difference in the sexual nature of attraction between men and women that makes the same sex love each other sexually, but not the opposite sex?

None of these questions are stated to argue that homosexuality is unnatural or wrong. Rather, I only raise this discussion to highlight the problem with the answer that homosexuality is okay because it is harmless and natural. If this is the reasoning for some, then let's not stop there. If this is your reasoning, then it is essential to justify such reasoning if you expect someone to accept that homosexuality is okay because it is natural and based on love and happiness, without answering the following questions presented above.


Let's have a dialogue.

I do not recall being put in charge of "right and wrong" and as a Zen Buddhist I must say that is really dualistic thinking and I don't even want to go down that path. As far as people being gay, so what not my business and has no impact on me whatsoever. I have quite a few gay friends and they are people just like me.

 

[SomeRandom]

Homosexuality is a benign abnormality, in so far as it's a minority in humankind. That's not a slight against it, it just happens to be an occurrence which is not very prevalent. But so what? I don't think it's inherently evil or detrimental. It just sort of.......exists. With potentially beneficial traits for the species overall. So why bother caring about it? Just live your life and leave others to do the same.
And who the hell cares if it's natural or not? Human beings live the most unnatural lives ever imaginable. (For the record I am using the word "Unnatural" to describe something built or interfered with by mankind.) Harnessed electricity, houses, road, buses, trains, planes, bikes, technology, the internet. I could list unnatural things all day.

Does two consenting adults of the same sex having a relationship affect you? It sure doesn't affect my life. So why all the fuss? I simply don't understand why this even has to be a debate. It's a sin? So is pretty much everything we do in life anyway. Well according to some interpretations at least. So why target the gay people? Aren't people called to remove the log from their own eye, before even addressing the splinter in their neighbor's?

 

[asm Jenkins]

I hope no-one is implying that I'm in any way targeting gay people because of my beliefs. I've never "targeted" anyone, regardless of who or what they are. My opinion is, and shall remain so, is that according to the bible, homosexuality is an abomination. And I don't know why we have debates about it either.

 

[Drolefille]

I hope no-one is implying that I'm in any way targeting gay people because of my beliefs. I've never "targeted" anyone, regardless of who or what they are. My opinion is, and shall remain so, is that according to the bible, homosexuality is an abomination. And I don't know why we have debates about it either.

But bisexuality is cool still. Awesome!

 

[pearl]

I hope no-one is implying that I'm in any way targeting gay people because of my beliefs. I've never "targeted" anyone, regardless of who or what they are. My opinion is, and shall remain so, is that according to the bible, homosexuality is an abomination. And I don't know why we have debates about it either.

The debates continue because of interpretations. We simply cannot assume that the biblical mindset defined homosexuality
in the same way it is defined today. To the ancient mindset homosexuality was nothing more than heterosexual perversion, thus
the label 'an abomination.' Especially in Paul, these acts were an abomination because they were performed in the ritual practice of idolatry. It is the idolatry that is the abomination, especially to the Jew.

 

[Draka]

I hope no-one is implying that I'm in any way targeting gay people because of my beliefs. I've never "targeted" anyone, regardless of who or what they are. My opinion is, and shall remain so, is that according to the bible, homosexuality is an abomination. And I don't know why we have debates about it either.

You don't know why there are debates about this? What if people continuously told you something about you was an "abomination"? You had to repeatedly hear, while growing up and throughout your life, that having blond hair or green eyes or a low voice or being left-handed was wrong and sick and an abomination you would go to hell for? You don't think this causes issues? You don't think this type of stance, these types of things said, are the things causing the real issues people have like depression, self-harm, suicide? A person's sexual orientation is as much an inborn natural part of them as what color their hair naturally is or their eye color or skin color or whether they are left or right handed and so on. To hold the stance, to espouse the stance, that a particular sexual orientation is an "abomination" and so forth is exactly what causes the problems we have in our society. The mental trauma, the inequality, and the hatred. That is why this is debated. For darn good reason.