a colliding scientific worldbased on originals principles

[oae]

If you got philosophy together with scientic view of humanity as well as animal states, the next place in the world would be a scientific rebuild of a religious society. the religion is based on scientific values and all of histories great ideas of visions that was made centuries ago. The world will not end if we take a control of the world's problems, so science will win. all religious books has a value and we can make them all collide as one scientific future that takes us further into history and out in the universe.
money making will be first state, and the next will be freedom.
a religious state based on christianities values will make humanity succeed, as well as your new instinct of new age with taoism. any ideas that make you live through a bible without free thinking will not work.
so the freedom is before you die, not after life.
jesus will make you succeed, if you're in mental state in mind that has the values already or having to get them. wars will not be a possibility. You free yourself with using the bible and other books to free the world, historical view will be important. You are not part of bible, science is. Using religion to control people cannot be the future. all signals that interpret your mind will be taken in as your life. All ideas is truth and all ideas will be valued, you just have to find a way to find a life worth living. All nations is going to be united. do not listen to anything else.
All conspirational theories has a truth and new music will give you great thinking. You do not wanna stop the conspiries but accept them and make a life out of it based on human values. Being one is all. Forgive, do not create new visionary human codependecies as human psychology will save you from despair.

 

[shawn001]

Separation of church and state.

 

[oae]

I'd say until you remove the delusions you can't, we need a state church instead of a volunteer work. This only means delusions will always be there in the hands of others. That means all have to know psychology and never go past it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Most souls are still quite young relatively speaking, the state of planetary geopolitics reflects this reality....evolution in the context of karma and reincarnation is the way forward to correct errors and graduate from the human kingdom...knuckle down folks and learn to live according to the moral principles given to mankind from on high...

 

[oae]

I'm really really old. So politics in a religion society is to use your own personality for everyone's good.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I'm really really old. So politics in a religion society is to use your own personality for everyone's good.

I meant by relatively young souls, those who have reincarnated insufficient times to have learned the lessons that karma teaches, and thus still think they can beat the system and get away with it....by this I mean they do not treat others as well as they want to be treated ..

 

[shawn001]

No reincarnation for the Dalai Lama?

No reincarnation for the Dalai Lama? - CNN Video

Most souls are still quite young relatively speaking, the state of planetary geopolitics reflects this reality....evolution in the context of karma and reincarnation is the way forward to correct errors and graduate from the human kingdom...knuckle down folks and learn to live according to the moral principles given to mankind from on high...

Perhaps defining a soul would help?

What souls? What reincarnation? What moral principles given to mankind from on high?

Souls do not Exist
[URL='http://www.humantruth.info/index_souls.html']Evidence from Science & Philosophy Against Mind-Body Dualism[/URL]
Emotions Without Souls: How Biochemistry and Neurology Account for FeelingsThe Limbic System: The Source of Emotions in the Human BrainSouls do not Exist: Evidence from Science & Philosophy Against Mind-Body DualismQuantum Physics Pseudo-scientific Theory of SoulSplit Brain Studies: One Mind per Hemisphere

Our 'minds', 'souls', 'spirit' and consciousness are all physical in nature. Thousands of years of investigation has shown us that our brainscomprise and produce our true selves, although because that for most of human history we have had no understanding of how our brains work most Humans have falsely believed inferred that we have souls1. Souls and spirits do not exist. Our bodies run themselves. We know from cases of brain damage and the effects of psychoactive drugs, that our experiences are caused by physical chemistry acting on our physical neurones in our brains. Our innermost self is our biochemical self.

“Human and animal mental processes look just as they can be expected to look if there is no soul or other immaterial component.”

Prof. Victor J. Stenger (2007)

1. The Physical Brain is the Source of Emotions and Personality, Not the Soul
2. The Physics of the Soul
   1. Evolution and Development of the Self
   2. Consciousness and Complexity
3. Voltaire Verses Descartes
4. Particular Phenomenon
   1. Ghosts
   2. The Appearance of the Recently Dead
   3. Out of Body Experiences
   4. Night Terrors: Demonic Attacks
5. Religion
   1. A Life Force: The Creation of a Pre-Scientific Age
   2. Judaism and the Old Testament
   3. Buddhism
   4. Christianity: No Souls, Only Physical Resurrection
   5. Islam
   6. God Does Not Need Souls
   7. Souls are a Pagan Concept

1. The Religion of Spiritualism
2. Institutionalized Spiritual Populism
   Issues and Problems: Its Original Proponents Admit Making It Up
   
   Souls do not Exist: Evidence from Science & Philosophy Against Mind-Body Dualism
   
   
   

The next evolutionary step for humankind is to move from human to kind.
~Author Unknown


We know what happens when you mix church and state into one and its not good.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

What souls? What reincarnation? What moral principles given to mankind from on high?
Souls do not Exist
Evidence from Science & Philosophy Against Mind-Body Dualism
We know what happens when you mix church and state into one and its not good.

The souls that you do not know exist...
The reincarnation that you do not know occurs...
The moral codes that came via Moses, Siddartha Gautama, Jesus, etc..

As a materialist, you should know that the existence of souls and the on high can't be proven through physical means...it is a suck and see proof...ie. you must devote yourself for a life time of devotion and meditation sincerely with all your heart, mind, and soul, and it will be revealed...

Religion is about aspiring to the spiritual realms, government is about the physical world....horses for courses...but the laws of karma are immutable and if the government of the day disregards the moral principles set down for mankind, it will eventually pay the price of karma and decay...one reaps what one sows...

 

[shawn001]

The souls that you do not know exist...
The reincarnation that you do not know occurs...
The moral codes that came via Moses, Siddartha Gautama, Jesus, etc..

As a materialist, you should know that the existence of souls and the on high can't be proven through physical means...it is a suck and see proof...ie. you must devote yourself for a life time of devotion and meditation sincerely with all your heart, mind, and soul, and it will be revealed...

Religion is about aspiring to the spiritual realms, government is about the physical world....horses for courses...but the laws of karma are immutable and if the government of the day disregards the moral principles set down for mankind, it will eventually pay the price of karma and decay...one reaps what one sows...

"you should know that the existence of souls and the on high can't be proven through physical means"

I do know this

"you must devote yourself for a life time of devotion and meditation sincerely with all your heart, mind, and soul, and it will be revealed."

What soul? What will be revealed? What does the heart have to do with anything then pump blood?


I do a deeper form of trance then meditation. Again with the labels. I am NOT a materialist. I have a spiritual side of me and am totally happy with it. so you don't have to worry or preach things like "it will be revealed." .

"Religion is about aspiring to the spiritual realms, government is about the physical world....horses for courses...but the laws of karma are immutable and if the government of the day disregards the moral principles set down for mankind, it will eventually pay the price of karma and decay...one reaps what one sows.."

You went from "spiritual realms to "government is about the physical world and then "the government of the day disregards the moral principles set down for mankind."

"Man is kind enough when he is not excited by religion."
Mark Twain

“America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.”
Oscar Wilde


“Maybe that's what hell is. You go mad, and all your demons come and get you just as fast as you can think them up.”
Anne Rice

 

[Ben Dhyan]

"you should know that the existence of souls and the on high can't be proven through physical means"

I do know this

"you must devote yourself for a life time of devotion and meditation sincerely with all your heart, mind, and soul, and it will be revealed."

What soul? What will be revealed? What does the heart have to do with anything then pump blood?


I do a deeper form of trance then meditation. Again with the labels. I am NOT a materialist. I have a spiritual side of me and am totally happy with it. so you don't have to worry or preach things like "it will be revealed." .

"Religion is about aspiring to the spiritual realms, government is about the physical world....horses for courses...but the laws of karma are immutable and if the government of the day disregards the moral principles set down for mankind, it will eventually pay the price of karma and decay...one reaps what one sows.."

You went from "spiritual realms to "government is about the physical world and then "the government of the day disregards the moral principles set down for mankind."

"Man is kind enough when he is not excited by religion."
Mark Twain

“America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.”
Oscar Wilde


“Maybe that's what hell is. You go mad, and all your demons come and get you just as fast as you can think them up.”
Anne Rice

So you claim you do a deeper form of trance than meditation?

Fyi, meditation is not a trance, it's purpose as a religious practice is to still the mind. It is important to note that when the goal has been realized, the ego mind does not arise to disturb the mind's apprehension of the underlying unity of existence...but it may take from decades to a life time of practice to realize this event....and when it does...the meditator can't truly say they experienced it because the 'I' can never apprehend the spiritual oneness.

There is old mystical saying... God can only ever reveal God to God through the medium of God...

 

[shawn001]

FYI, Meditation is a trance state. I know its effects and have been studying it in depth with some expert research doctors in the field in the US and UK for over 15 years. Clinical researchers using PET and Fmri and peer review studies.

"it's purpose as a religious practice"

It doesn't have to be a "religious practice"

" is to still the mind."

What I use is a "heighten state of focus." although meditation also uses that, but there is way more to it all.

I can go into what I know on the psychophysiology if you want.

" It is important to note that when the goal has been realized, the ego mind"

The below is older to what scientist know now even. But that term is old and doesn't apply anymore, in psychology or neuroscience.

"
What is Ego?

What ego is depends largely on who you ask. Philosophical and psychological definitions abound. Popularly, ego is generally understood as one's sense of self-identity or how we view ourselves. It may encompass self-confidence, self-esteem, pride, and self-worth, and is therefore influenced by many factors, including genes, early upbringing, and stress.

The popular concept of ego is a far cry from what Sigmund Freud elaborated at the turn of the 19th century in his seminal work on psychoanalytical theory. Freud distinguished between primary (id) and secondary (ego) cognitive systems and proposed that the id, or unconscious, was characterized by a free exchange of neural energy and more primitive or animistic thinking. It was the job of the ego, the conscious mind, to minimize that free energy, to "bind" it and thereby regulate the impulses of the unconscious. It was Freud's attempt to "link the workings of the unconscious mind to behavior," says Joseph T. Coyle, M.D., chair of psychiatry and neuroscience at Harvard School of Medicine/McLean Hospital and a Dana Alliance for Brain Initiatives member.

Ego constructs continue to be used in some psychoanalytical therapies, but beyond that, the term seems to be falling out of favor in modern psychiatry. ("Ego is so last century," quips Coyle.) Dana Alliance member Jerome Kagan, Ph.D., professor emeritus of psychology at Harvard, says: "Ego is a terrible word. In Freudian theory, ego has a meaning–not a very precise one, but a meaning. But you can't take the word ego out of Freudian theory and apply it in non-Freudian ways. It just doesn't work."

The unhealthy ego: What can neuroscience tell us about our 'self'?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

FYI, Meditation is a trance state. I know its effects and have been studying it in depth with some expert research doctors in the field in the US and UK for over 15 years. Clinical researchers using PET and Fmri and peer review studies.

"it's purpose as a religious practice"

It doesn't have to be a "religious practice"

" is to still the mind."

What I use is a "heighten state of focus." although meditation also uses that, but there is way more to it all.

I can go into what I know on the psychophysiology if you want.

" It is important to note that when the goal has been realized, the ego mind"

The below is older to what scientist know now even. But that term is old and doesn't apply anymore, in psychology or neuroscience.

"
What is Ego?

What ego is depends largely on who you ask. Philosophical and psychological definitions abound. Popularly, ego is generally understood as one's sense of self-identity or how we view ourselves. It may encompass self-confidence, self-esteem, pride, and self-worth, and is therefore influenced by many factors, including genes, early upbringing, and stress.

The popular concept of ego is a far cry from what Sigmund Freud elaborated at the turn of the 19th century in his seminal work on psychoanalytical theory. Freud distinguished between primary (id) and secondary (ego) cognitive systems and proposed that the id, or unconscious, was characterized by a free exchange of neural energy and more primitive or animistic thinking. It was the job of the ego, the conscious mind, to minimize that free energy, to "bind" it and thereby regulate the impulses of the unconscious. It was Freud's attempt to "link the workings of the unconscious mind to behavior," says Joseph T. Coyle, M.D., chair of psychiatry and neuroscience at Harvard School of Medicine/McLean Hospital and a Dana Alliance for Brain Initiatives member.

Ego constructs continue to be used in some psychoanalytical therapies, but beyond that, the term seems to be falling out of favor in modern psychiatry. ("Ego is so last century," quips Coyle.) Dana Alliance member Jerome Kagan, Ph.D., professor emeritus of psychology at Harvard, says: "Ego is a terrible word. In Freudian theory, ego has a meaning–not a very precise one, but a meaning. But you can't take the word ego out of Freudian theory and apply it in non-Freudian ways. It just doesn't work."

The unhealthy ego: What can neuroscience tell us about our 'self'?

Shawn....of course brain activity is affected by the psychological state it happens to be in, and there may be something learned from cause and effect correlation, but my own journey has been one to realize the source of any and all brain activity, a call from within if you like, to transcend attachments to the physical world of effects that contemporary science deals with. Now that's not to say there isn't great work being done in the physical world, space projects for example....but within physical space, perhaps there lies a finer space medium undetectable by modern science in which the potential of a space-time reality beyond the ken of mortal man exists. I keep an open mind always...but I'm not attracted much to physical time-space reality anymore, except to help where appropriate and possible...

 

[shawn001]

Ben, if you can watch this is pretty interesting. All of Michael Mosley's documentaries are interesting.

The Truth About Personality

Michael Mosley explores the latest science about how our personalities are created - and whether they can be changed.

BBC Two - Horizon, 2012-2013, The Truth About Personality

My curiosity about things, including the subconscious mind and in this case a chronic health problem is part of why I study this, because its really helped me greatly.

This one is also interesting.

Through The Wormhole | Season 3 Episode 8 | Mysteries of the Subconscious

It is without a doubt the practice of meditation, clinical hypnotherapy or mindfulness meditation has serious benefits to a persons health as well makes a person feel good. They can see changes in the brain and body.

There is also a lot to be said for learning more about neuroscience and how things work in order to understand the brain, which can help basically all people on Earth.

I would also say when you get into QM, the world and reality to us really gets weird.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Ben, if you can watch this is pretty interesting. All of Michael Mosley's documentaries are interesting.

The Truth About Personality

Michael Mosley explores the latest science about how our personalities are created - and whether they can be changed.

BBC Two - Horizon, 2012-2013, The Truth About Personality

My curiosity about things, including the subconscious mind and in this case a chronic health problem is part of why I study this, because its really helped me greatly.

This one is also interesting.

Through The Wormhole | Season 3 Episode 8 | Mysteries of the SubconsciousQuantum Consciousness

It is without a doubt the practice of meditation, clinical hypnotherapy or mindfulness meditation has serious benefits to a persons health as well makes a person feel good. They can see changes in the brain and body.

There is also a lot to be said for learning more about neuroscience and how things work in order to understand the brain, which can help basically all people on Earth.

I would also say when you get into QM, the world and reality to us really gets weird.

Thank you Shawn, I watched the video and found it interesting but fragmented in its approach to application in the physical world. If you understand what Kundalini energy is and what happens when it reaches the 6th chakra (third eye), if and after that Tantric uniting of the two main nadis is completed, the 7th chakra begins to flower which means the astral form is sufficiently coherent to leave the physical body as required to complete missions and return. I suggest to you, not that I doubt these studies are credible, I am personally aware of their efficacy, but at the end of the day, death of the physical body can not be averted, so the religious purpose of meditation is mainly predicated on the principle of ascension, not for doing worldly.tasks and lose the opportunity for immortality...

Concerning consciousness, this is what I have been interested in, the zpe/vacuum/dark energy/spiritual energy that inputs the Cosmic consciousness to the brain through the micro-tubules of the brain's neuron axons and cells of the body...link.... Quantum Consciousness

Meditation from the occult pov is to attain arousal of the Kundalini Godess and to suffer the fast track evolutionary path to the development of a coherent energy body that is able to leave the body. This can't happen in the Beta brainwave awake state, only in the Delta and beyond Turiya state of minimum to no neuron firings...(remember the cosmos ape/spiritual energy can still monitor the body through the brain's neurons axons, leaving the astral body to leave and return as appropriate to missions). If you have ever experienced out of body lucid dreams that appear as real as awake state, and perhaps been in space or met ETs, then this means your astral body is at least in its childhood and maturing it to exist permanently in the non-physical domain is what will fulfil your destiny. My kingdom is not of this world!

 

[shawn001]

Ben, just FYI

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Thanks....I will edit my last post to change Theta to Delta....

 

[shawn001]

In Delta your deep sleeping and unconcious. Even though the brain is still working.

Theta is Hypnotherapy and what I use, clinical hypnotherapy. Mediation can also go into Theta waves.

I should add you go through the different states as you get more and more relaxed, so its not as cut and dry as many think and I am sure you know.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes, I understand..., over the years (I've been meditation about forty years), there has been an incremental movement through the different states. However it has mostly been a case of two steps forward and then one backwards....not a linear progression. Also there is extraordinary variation wrt the types of brain activity one experiences....as well as the variations in psychic environment one is exposed to...from the dreadfully frightening to the blissful, from the peaceful to the chaotic, from the depressing to the exhilarating, from the pleasurable to the painful..... a wonderous and awesome journey. I am dying to get to the Turiya state...