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A Curious Question
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In your opinion
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
My opinion is based on the reality of the posts visible to all.
So you missed post 14 then which should have stopped your complaints.
although I don't identify as exclusively christian
the term sons of god is used in the OT
adam was literally considered the son of god
jesus said that everyone was gods. he even reinforces this idea when he said to call no man father because everyone has a spiritual father that precedes any carnal father.
paul said that all are god's offspring too
elijah raised a dead boy to life
when the body of a man was tossed in elisha's grave the man returned from the dead.
jesus never claimed exclusivity
jesus would at best be considered a demi-god; which is that having a earthling mother and a spirit father.
but then the abrahamic religion teaches that all spirits come from the father who gave it
ecclesiastes 12:7
in agreement with
1 corinthians 6:19
and the lord's prayer ............."OUR father who art in heaven
so then it is no far stretch that christ is all and in all because what ever you do unto the least of these you have done unto all the self same.
I AM, I WILL BE with you always
but then the abrahamic religion teaches that all spirits come from the father who gave it
ecclesiastes 12:7
in agreement with
1 corinthians 6:19
and the lord's prayer ............."OUR father who art in heaven
so then it is no far stretch that christ is all and in all because what ever you do unto the least of these you have done unto all the self same.
I AM, I WILL BE with you always
I think I've been really one-upped or something?
Callisto
Hellenismos, BTW
Thing is, I haven't complained.
You have griped about me posting none stop since you came on to this thread.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
In the research I've done, I've discovered that the stories of Jesus are not unique, including his savior story. For example, if you replace the name of Jesus with Attis (the Phrygian-Greek god of vegetation), you will see strikingly familiar stories similar to those of Jesus, except the Greek myths about Attis originate from 1250 BCE, which predates Christianity and the Bible. In the mythological stories of Attis, he was divinely born of a virgin, hung on a pine tree, crucified, and died; descended into the underworld following his death; was resurrected from the dead after three days; and brought salvation with him in his resurrection (source: Attis: Born of a Virgin on December 25th, Crucified and Resurrected after Three Days). There are other similarities between the stories about Attis and Jesus in the article as well. If you're interested, I recommend learning more about Jesus in comparative mythology. In addition, I recommend reading these articles for more information about other Christlike figures with similar stories of Jesus that predate Christianity and the Bible.
10 Christ-Like Figures that predate Jesus
The Truth About Mythological Figures Similar To Jesus
Other Gods That Rose From the Dead in Spring Before Jesus Christ
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
Yes, I am aware the story of Jesus is not unique. I was responding to the OP question of the Abrahamic Scriptures.
One of the many reasons I believe in One God is the similarities found in the traditions of many peoples. One of the problems I have with the canonized Bible is the cross-over stories as you have so kindly given references for. Far too many take these "books" as the only truth whereas I see them as a partial collection of one people. The extraordinary "tale" apparently has always taken humankind's attention away from the truly extraordinary right in front of eyes and under our feet. But the Abrahamic Traditions are the "one" in my community/life, so I do refer to them the most.
Namaste
Salam
Uzair (a) who is not a Prophet but a religious pious scholar, was risen from death. I'm not aware of this claim from any other Prophet or Messenger but it's narrated in Shia hadiths that Imams (a) will come back after the rise of Imam Mahdi (a) and rule.
One more statement by Meher Baba on the "son":
The state of the Son is Sahaj-Samadhi, and in this divine state there is God-Consciousness plus the consciousness of all creation. The experience of the human being in the state of Sahaj-Samadhi is "I am God and I am everyone and everything." Though the creation exists in non-existence, the creation only exists for this God-Realized person as illusion, as his imagination. The experience of the Son state is, "I am existence. Creation is my shadow."
The Avatar is eternally in the state of the Son, and his eternal experience is "I am God and I am Everyone and everything." As God, the Avatar enjoys Infinite Bliss, Power and Knowledge, but, as everyone and everything, he suffers in the infinite weakness and infinite ignorance. The Avatar suffers because his experience is not of everyone and everything, but he has become everyone and everything.
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The spiritual duty of the Avatar is to take on responsibility for everyone and everything. The Jivan-Mukta has spiritual duty for one other human being; the Perfect Master has spiritual duty to a number of individuals, mainly his circle. But the Avatar alone has a spiritual duty to fulfill to all.
The experience in Sahaj-Samadhi of "I am everyone and everything" does not mean that one actually becomes everyone and everything after God-Realization. This becoming of everyone and everything only happens with the Avatar, who has to become not only one with all by being responsible for all, but who has to actually become one and all. The Jivan-Muktas and Sadgurus have become one with all, but only the Avatar becomes one and all.
The state of the Son is Sahaj-Samadhi, and in this divine state there is God-Consciousness plus the consciousness of all creation. The experience of the human being in the state of Sahaj-Samadhi is "I am God and I am everyone and everything." Though the creation exists in non-existence, the creation only exists for this God-Realized person as illusion, as his imagination. The experience of the Son state is, "I am existence. Creation is my shadow."
The Avatar is eternally in the state of the Son, and his eternal experience is "I am God and I am Everyone and everything." As God, the Avatar enjoys Infinite Bliss, Power and Knowledge, but, as everyone and everything, he suffers in the infinite weakness and infinite ignorance. The Avatar suffers because his experience is not of everyone and everything, but he has become everyone and everything.
...
The spiritual duty of the Avatar is to take on responsibility for everyone and everything. The Jivan-Mukta has spiritual duty for one other human being; the Perfect Master has spiritual duty to a number of individuals, mainly his circle. But the Avatar alone has a spiritual duty to fulfill to all.
The experience in Sahaj-Samadhi of "I am everyone and everything" does not mean that one actually becomes everyone and everything after God-Realization. This becoming of everyone and everything only happens with the Avatar, who has to become not only one with all by being responsible for all, but who has to actually become one and all. The Jivan-Muktas and Sadgurus have become one with all, but only the Avatar becomes one and all.
InChrist
Free4ever
Sure, there have been claims. Satan the enemy of truth is an expert at creating counterfeit claims and has been doing so throughout history.
Please list these claims...
...and feel free to leave out your opinions as to their veracity.
InChrist
Free4ever
I’m not going to make a list. I’m sure others will do that and have numerous times on this forum. And why should I leave out my opinion? Isn’t that what everyone does here; share opinions, views, and perspectives on everything?
6 Ancient Resurrection Stories | HISTORY
Jesus wasn't the only one believed to have risen from the dead. The concept of resurrection appears in ancient cultures around the world.
www.history.com
What's the Difference between Jesus's Resurrection and the Myth of Dying-and-Rising Gods?
One common objection to Jesus’s resurrection for the past two centuries holds that the earliest Christians “borrowed” the idea of Jesus’s resurrection from earlier “dying-and-rising gods” that were allegedly popular in antiquity. This objection takes a variety of forms, depending upon (1) how...
reasons.org
Is Jesus a myth? Is Jesus just a copy of the pagan gods of other ancient religions? | GotQuestions.org
Is Jesus a myth? Is Jesus just a copy of the pagan gods of other ancient religions? Is Jesus the same as Horus / Heru, Mithras, and Osiris?
www.gotquestions.org
It appears obvious to me that other such stories are nonsensical and clearly mythological, without the historical background, details and support which validate the accounts of Jesus Christ’s life, death and resurrection.
Yes, and perhaps too often with the intent to trample on someone else's beliefs or to express how one's own views are superior to others.
While I personally have no horse in the race, you did quote a Dharmic and make it a point to be dismissive of any other view besides your own suggesting they were counterfeit.
This is further confirmed with comments like this:
InChrist
Free4ever
I try very hard to be respectful and not trample individuals. Do you think I have trampled or attacked others or their beliefs more than many have scorned the beliefs of Christians on this forum?
I do see a distinction between a person and a belief. While I think everyone should be treated respectfully and kindly, beliefs need to be scrutinized for their truthfulness, especially beliefs that can impact one’s eternal destiny.
You may not agree or like my words or thoughts. I can understand that, but I sincerely am not trying to be dismissive, mean and certainly I am superior to no one.
Spice
StewardshipPeaceIntergityCommunityEquality
In the literal sense of the unique and only begotten 'Son of God' and being raised from the dead, these are unique to Christianity when compared to the main Abrahamic Faiths. There may be relatively obscure religious sects that make similar claims. Its certainly not mainstream Islam or Judaism. It is not a Baha'i claim either.