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A Friend from Udaipur

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Namaste

I am very excited, a computer analyst from Udaipur India (Rajastan) has arrived from India, he is a young man not yet married and he speaks Rajastani and Hindi and is of Jain Dharma and very strick.

He has not been leaving his hotel because he became upset with all the Americans in my area (SF Bay Area) meaning meat eaters and bad characters (not sure what happed) so I have been asked to take him around to our local Jain Temple and Hindu Temples.

He is described as a "very simple person", so I am looking for advice.

I plan on taking him first to Shiva Murugan Temple, then we go to the huge Jain Temple, BAPS Temple then probably a vegetarian restaurant but not sure if that is vegan enough for him, I may take him to the Sikh Temple for pure vegie lunch or the large Hindu Community Temple for food.

Then I think I will take him to a large shopping mall. But not sure. He may want to do shopping, all this will happen on a work day Friday, he then flies to Houston the next day.

He has specifically asked to go to Temples (I have not spoken with him yet). Beyond that, I do not know where to take him, he might be in "culture shock" with America.

Any ideas?

Om Namah Sivaya
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Can you take him home, just to an ordinary American Hindu's house? He might miss that.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Namaste Vinayaka

Actually yes, he is going to come over. Also, other Hindu relatives are going to meet him.

The trick is NOT to ask why he is not wanting to come out (of the hotel) - getting proper food apparently is a huge problem for him. I will probably talk to him tomorrow, call the hotel.

I know America can be quite scary, it is sort of a wild west here. It is not for the timid, he might be that nature. I do not know yet if he wears Jaina clothes or a suit, not sure. Maybe some pigs made fun of him when he tried to get food.

I will help.

Om Namah Sivaya
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
I am very excited, a computer analyst from Udaipur India (Rajastan) has arrived from India, he is a young man not yet married and he speaks Rajastani and Hindi and is of Jain Dharma and very strict.
The trick is NOT to ask why he is not wanting to come out (of the hotel) - getting proper food apparently is a huge problem for him. I will probably talk to him tomorrow, call the hotel.

I do not know yet if he wears Jaina clothes or a suit, not sure. Maybe some pigs made fun of him when he tried to get food.
I spent part of my life in and around Udaipur. My best friend is a Jain, not from Udaipur, but from a place nearby, i.e., Devgarh, near the famous Ranakpur Jain temples. I obtained my Bachelors degree while studying in Udaipur's M. B. College. My brother completed a medical degree from Udaipur medical college. We used to live in Bhopalpura. Jains are not vegans, they are vegetarian. They will have no problem with milk products. It is a culture shock, and I hope you, his friends and relatives will help. There are no special Jain clothes. They wear Shirts, pants, and pyjamas, just like anybody else. Perhaps he is afraid to face American streets alone, new, a stranger. I think you should take him around the city.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
Culture shock can be 'nasty', and too real. Best wishes easing it for him, SF. For anyone who hasn't gone through it or travelled, please don't underestimate the intensity.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Thanks for the info, very interesting!

Actually, I did confirm he is a strict vegetarian.

I think this will be quite enjoyable, I will report back on the "adventures" this weekend. It might be an interesting revelation especially to "Western Hindus", the "culture shock" aspect of a "newbie" first time to America. We hear about "culture shock" of some visiting the East, now an observation of "culture shock" visiting America.

Om Namah Sivaya
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Wow! He speaks better English than me and wants to give me a box of dates to eat AND A PAINTING FROM RAJASTHAN! I know when we meet face to face we will have a grand time!
 

ratikala

Istha gosthi
namaskaram shiva fan ji :namaste

Namaste

He is described as a "very simple person", so I am looking for advice.
jai jai , so nice that you are looking forward to showing kindness to another , ...I am sure just offering him the hospitality of your home will be very reasuring to him just knowing that there are others like himself will be wonderfull for him .

taking him on a tour of temples will be wonderfull for you both as you can both introduce eachother to your own cultures , and where to go for vegetarian food .

do you have an area where all the indian grocers shops are , then he will know where to go for familliar foods , he will then know where he can safely shop without running into meat and alcahol ....if it were me it would be the first thing I would want to know . then rather than going to a shoping mall (unless of course he wants to go ?) what about museums , prehaps it would be good for him to know a little about his new country , and would appreciate to see another side of america ?


He has specifically asked to go to Temples (I have not spoken with him yet). Beyond that, I do not know where to take him, he might be in "culture shock" with America.

Any ideas?

Om Namah Sivaya
temples would be wonderfull but prehaps also he might like to visit a church so that he might also feel more comfortable to know that there is more to american society than secular life , and materialism ?

om nama Shivaya :namaste
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Namaste ratikala

All great ideas, tomorrow after the temples and lunch I want to suggest to him we go to Monterey CA on Saturday because now he doesn't fly until Monday to Houston.

The Indian groceries store is a great idea, and yes we have MANY and in fact I am on a personal relation with one where I shop all the time. There is also an Indian "cash and carry".

I don't know any church since I never go to one, other than what is called "California Missions". These are old Catholic Missions built by the Spanish, there is one called Mission San Juan Bautista on the way to Monterey, if he likes we can stop there.

In Monterey there are stunningly beautiful seashores, trails, and then there is the Pebble Beach Golf Course, I plan to take him there if he likes to.

My wife will come along for Monterey.

I need to get him a gift, because he is going to give me one. Normally I give a watch, but not sure though.

Great points, thank you!
 

Valjean

Veteran Member
Premium Member
He must have been aware that Americans were meat eaters, and had some idea of our decadent lifestyles. I'm surprised he seems so disturbed by it.

That said, I recall being shocked myself some years ago when I discovered that many of the Washington, DC Jain community had abandoned vegetarianism. I hope the Jains on the left coast are more observant, or your friend might be in for an even greater shock.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
ShivaFan......I've been following this thread for two days. Do make sure you fill us in on how it goes. I'm particularly interested to hear your appraisal of what's going on with him. What did he expect to find here? There's meat eaters in India too. Did he leave an insulated life in India? Does he regret coming here?

I'll keep checking in on my soap opera :D
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Don't worry, the Jains here at their temple are very conservative. We have a good presence of Jains, too. The temple is huge. If and when I go to the Jain Temple, you leave every leather attire at home (belt, wallet, shoes, etc.)...

One of the "tops" at the temple is shown below in white with the swastikas. They have lots and lots of murtis.

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Here is the temple (above and below)...

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Om Namah Sivaya
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Here is our Local Devi who Protects us, 15 minutes drive away:

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Jai Durga Maa!

I would show scenes from our Shiva Muruga Temple which is the main temple of the area and which I will take my new friend, but pictures are not allowed.


Om Namah Sivaya
 
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Ravi500

Active Member
Any ideas?

Om Namah Sivaya

Hi ShivaFan,

Gandhi faced the same issues when he came to Britain as a student, and struggled to get vegetarian food.

Perhaps, a reading of his autobiography, "The Story of My Experiments with Truth" , where he recounts his student experiences in detail,especially the topic of vegetarianism, can help in this regard.

Gandhi too was heavily influenced by a syncretism of Vaishnavite and Jain culture.

:namaste
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
I'm sure you're doing a great job. Just your helpful presence will ease the shock.

I've dealt with it a lot here. Everything is just so different than back home. Here, I think the most brutal thing is just the weather. When it gets to -40, and you've never seen anything below +20, well, it's got to be tough. The unbearable heat of +40 in Delhi would get us in the other direction. I'd have an extremely difficult time. +33 is way too hot for me. (temps in Celsius, sorry)

I teach the newcomers about moving the physical body when it's brutally cold, and we guide them to warmer clothing, and how to wear it. A common mistake is just to stand still, but anyone who has experienced it knows you're way better to move around.

Do let us know.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Namaste

And so the adventure begins. And there is another tomorrow.

- A Greeting -

I was greeted by the presence of a tall, handsome, strong young man of aristocratic manners.

I am trying to remember the first words, but since I was a bit surprised at his tall, strong and healthy stature, honestly I forgot the very first words.

It sounds perhaps insulting to say I was surprised, after all, why should a new friend from Udaipur not be tall and strong in stature? What was I expecting otherwise, a dwarf perhaps?

No, I had no preconceptions, however it is the unknown that makes one so curious. So what will be this new friend? Typical and so predictably human of me.

He was polite and mannered and also very ready to be open and friendly, and indeed he was and more.

It did not take long to literally "feel his religion" in the atmosphere even without talking of religion at all. He was even sort of Buddha like in his face. Interesting. So this was the Jain who will be my friend today. And Buddha can talk with eyes, too.

But talk we did. A lot. He is proud of his heritage, and ready and eagar to share this pride with others. He told me of all the fames of Udaipur, Rajasthan, he told me of Jain temples, of this place and that, the names rolled off his tongue and some I heard of, some not, the descriptions of columns, how many columns at this temple, the camels even he told me. Of course, I can literally eat this stuff up, but I never asked him to tell me.

He just said it without without asking.

I realized, being so absorbed, that as a result I was driving down a freeway. For 30 minites. In the wrong direction. Opposite of where I was supposed to be driving. We were to drive to the Jain Temple.

But I was driving - listening - driving - listening - driving - listening - driving ... in the opposite direction.

Oh. "How funny. I am going in the wrong direction. Sorry. I am exiting, we will turn around" ...

Yes, I spoke too. Because I wanted to ask about something he would say. But he needed no asking. But he inspired me to yap on, too, tell me more of that.

Around me, America was passing by in scenery. He had never been to America.

But he wasn't looking at America. He would look at me, and look at me, and tell me, and look at me. He didn't look at America, sure the eyes would sometimes turn to gaze out the window. But mostly, he looked at me. He wanted to give me all his attention. All attention. But not in an impolite, oppresingly suffocating way.

No. In a gentle, attentive, looking way, yet strong too.

- On to the Jain Temple -

Though I was now going in the right direction, suddenlynI realized I had passed the exit I was supposed to take to the temple.

In fact, after I did exit the freeway with the expectation of going back, I then got back up on the freeway. But. It. Was. The ... wrong ... freeway.

"These freeways are probably not like Rajasthan," I told him. "Here it is really easy to get lost."

Yeah. Right.

I pull out the GPS. I am looking up the address of the Jain Temple on my cell phone.

He looks a little like, "are you going to crash? ".

No problem, or something I say as I type in the address into the GPS. "It's over there" as I point sort of where I think it is. "Look for the towers of the temple" ... (GPS now starts to talk) ~ Go straight then ~ get in the right lane ~ exit right ~ then go straight ~ turn right 1 mile ahead ~ .... "I see it!" ...

~ you have arrived at your destination ~

We get out after parking at the side of the Temple. He gets out and heads right to the side door ahead of me, but ... that door is locked.

I tell him that the front door is "this wsy" (as if he couldn't see the obvious?) ... but, even though the sign says OPEN, it is locked, too.

oh oh

"It is open" he tells me, "but we need to enter from the back" ...

He is leading the way before finishing his sentence, around to the back and I am following.

Indeed. The door is even open. And right there is a Jain girl who greats us. We park our shoes. She greets him but not in English, but he is already beelining deeper into the temple as I follow and didn't even hear or respond to her.

The main temple room is on the second floor of the huge temple. We are within seconds going right in. There are devotees sitting on the floor, a girl is waving a little broom about towards the Murtis, and even what looks to me a hand held mirror. Men standing, dressed in "business-dockers", mothers with children, a child smiling zooms in on me and comes right at me within the first 4 seconds, the mother looks back at me and smiles, then he goes back after he said something I didn't understand, my new Jain friend, and me, are then bowing pranams, about the walls of the temple room are many, many, many Murtis. To my right is a man standing, facing one of the Murtis resident in one of the shrines of the wall, it looks like it is Rama holding a bow and arrow, but now we are circumbulating the main shrine sanctum that stands independent from the walls and there are life size Jaina Arhant Statues naked in lotus meditation position, we are going clockwise around Them and They are White, very White, and as we go around, more and more Murtis in small shrines in the surrounding walls look at me, and him, they look and give me all their attention, all their attention they look at me, my friend touches this One or That to draw the air towards himself as we Hindus draw the flame of the lamp towards us, we go around...

And then I see Devi Saraswati. And another Hindu Devata, and another, and another ...

Now we are back facing the main inner shrine. There are no "surprised" looks of the devotees to see me. We stand and give namaste to the Arhants. He speaks to me now.

There are 24 Tirthankara. He points, and starts telling me names of Them, and yes, here is Saraswati. He takes me back to Her. He is giving namaste to One, another, he is telling me, "see, look, the one to the Left, that is Mahavira" and so he tells me more, then we are standing giving namaste, then we sit in cross leg position.

Now there is a man who has come in wearing white dhoti, his face is covered in a white mask, lots of white, he is doing puja.

My friend is telling me, this man is a guest, not a priest. He explains, anyone, a guest, can be the pujari, but it takes about two hours "to get ready" and to change into this attire. But that there are also priests, too. But guests can personally do the puja, too. Well, he didn't use the word puja. I do not know the word used, but I knew exactly that he was saying what I say is puja.

I am amazed. I never heard such a thing. Actually I am stunned at loss of words. A guest can do the puja, I ask in my mind (?) ?

- The Story of the Diamond -

And then as we are sitting right there before the Murtis, with others around me, in ear shot where the others can hear everything he says, as soon as he has told be about the man doing the puja, then he starts to tell me about the diamond.

It seems disconnected. Meaning, disconnected from Jainism.

He is telling me now, Nath Ji. That Nath Ji once blinded a Muslim for tearing down Hindu and Jain temples. But that this Muslim was the Ruler. But his son asked the Muslim (some word, but I knew he meant what I call the Mullahs) what can be done? What can be done for this karma of tearing down the temples?

The Muslim teachers said that he should go give a gift to Nath Ji. So this Muslim Ruler gave to Nath Ji a very special Diamond which the Muslims had in those days. It was a dream that told him to give this Diamond.

This Diamond was not an ordinary Diamond. Before, it had a power to shine so bright sometimes. When the Muslim Ruler gave this Diamond to Nath Ji, it was put inside a hole in Nath Ji's chin.

Then he told me, but because sometimes it would shine so bright it would, it is covered with wax because the brightness may happen, it might be too bright. But it will cure blindness. It was a dream that told the Muslim Ruler to give this Diamond, which can cure blindness. Bright enough to cause or cure blindness. So they cover it with wax.

He asked me if I knew where the stone of Nath Ji came from, the stone which is Nath Ji.

I had never heard about this diamond. But then I realized Who was Nath Ji. You see, Nath Ji is our Hindu Murti of a famous temple, not Jain Temple, called Shreenath Ji.

Yes, I told him. The rock came from Govardhan Hill.

He smiled, Yes!

Then he got up. Next would be the Hindu Temple.

But I am tired, so I will continue with what happens next tomorow. But that may also have to wait until Sunday. Because tomorrow is Monterey.

Om Namah Sivaya
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Wow! He speaks better English than me and wants to give me a box of dates to eat AND A PAINTING FROM RAJASTHAN! I know when we meet face to face we will have a grand time!
Nathdeara paintings, nice strong colors. Landscapes also.

https://www.google.co.in/search?q=n...YAcinrge79oD4Bg&ved=0CCgQsAQ&biw=1280&bih=620
One of the "tops" at the temple is shown below in white with the swastikas. They have lots and lots of murtis.
They have 24 Tirthankars (ford-crossers) and some great people. The two ladies in white are monks.
 
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