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A Friend from Udaipur

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
A guest can do the puja, I ask in my mind?
'Guest' is not the right word. You are a devotee having a right on the temple and its deity. It is like visiting your supervisor's house. You have to follow the rules. A devotee can surely engage in 'abhishekam' at many temples if he have taken a bath and are wearing the regulation dress (dhoti).
tall, strong and healthy stature
And I think you said an IT man. I am sure he would be popular among parents of marriageable girls. Enter from the back - I don't get it. Did he say 'archana'?
 
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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
The word I translated "guest" was another word I wasn't familiar with, but yes you are right he made it clear it wasn't what I call a pujari (or prjest) but just a devotee. That really amazes me, in my Hindu temples that isn't allowed.

Literally, we entered the temple from the back door (there is an enterence both in front facing the street, and one in the back which is also where part of the parking lot is). The back door was open and with a Jain girl at a table who greeted us, but actually he didn't respond to her but parked his shoes in the men's shoe room and beelined up to the second floor where there is the main temple.

Regarding wedding, I asked him later and he was bit shy but yes he wants to meet a future wife.

I will continue from the update of yesterday's visit to the Jain Temple, which was a very rewarding day for me personally, with the update of yesterday's Hindu Temple and dinner events which were just as amazingly rewarding, but first a quick f.y.i. regarding today's "field trip" to Monterey which has taken a turn in events.

The "boss" called my friend at the hotel late yesterday evening, now the "boss" is flying into SFO and has wrecked all of our fun. He needs to be picked up at the airport late afternoon, then the "boss" and my friend will fly to Houston tomorrow so now I "hate" the boss man.

So we don't have time to drive to Monterey with my daughter and wife and my new friend, our plans today are now the whipping post of the slave masters who have ruined that. It takes about one and a half hours each way to get to Monterey and back, no time now but to run around for quick things.

I forgot to mention, he gave me a beautiful painting from Rajasthan about the size in frame of a school paper, of a Raja on elephant escorted by adjuncts and flags, beautiful!

Well, I got to go and will update our Hindu temple adventures tomorrow!

Om Namah Sivaya
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
The word I translated "guest" was another word I wasn't familiar with, but yes you are right he made it clear it wasn't what I call a pujari (or prjest) but just a devotee. That really amazes me, in my Hindu temples that isn't allowed.
In North India, men can engage in 'abhishekam', some times women too. I do not think that is allowed in Vaishnava temples. Their pujas are more elaborate. For South India, Vinayaka will be able to give better information.

Indian young men (and women) may not face much culture shock because of Hollywood films and English being the medium of instruction at professional colleges. Many of their friends would have visited US and would have recounted their experiences to them. Indian students are generally very well informed.
 
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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
My main temple is Saiva, South Indian, yes I know of abhishekham etc of course. This was more like almost being more than that. Interesting. Anyway, when I talk about the Hindu Temple adventure that also happened yesterday, he went right up and into the altar where there were several Hindu Murtis, large crowd of devotees and singing going on etc. with me following (even though I am the Hindu, he took over instantly leading the way and I just followed his every move) and literally after pranam the went right up to the Hanuman Murti touching the feet of Hanumanji and putting his palms on his temple and eyes. So I did also. Everyone is watching and singing. I go to this Hind Temple often, but never go right up and start touching the murti on the Altar, only namaste, pranams, etc, pouring water and so on.

Will be back with updates, but just an amazing thing, he has the ability (when before the shoe racks) to pick up both his shoes with his left toes and raise them up with his foot as a hand and put both the shoes in an upper shoe rack!

Excuse typos, typing fast from my cell phone.

Om Namah Sivaya
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
In my days at Fulbright Foundation, Delhi, I saw many US scholars returning to US without completing their assignments due to culture shock.

I've heard from travel forums of people who left IGI for a few minutes, turned around, went to the ticketing booth, and booked a flight back home. :) We often think it is a one way thing, but it definitely goes both ways. I've picked up SL refugees at our airport, and it took them a long few hors just getting used to not seeing soldiers with guns.
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
In North India, men can engage in 'abhishekam', some times women too. I do not think that is allowed in Vaishnava temples. Their pujas are more elaborate. For South India, Vinayaka will be able to give better information.

In the South, it's 'Priest Only' unless it's a North Indian style temple in a metropolis (Bengaluru, Chennai) that would have that.
 

George-ananda

Advaita Vedanta, Theosophy, Spiritualism
Premium Member
I've heard from travel forums of people who left IGI for a few minutes, turned around, went to the ticketing booth, and booked a flight back home. :) We often think it is a one way thing, but it definitely goes both ways. I've picked up SL refugees at our airport, and it took them a long few hors just getting used to not seeing soldiers with guns.

What's 'IGI' mean? What does 'SL' mean? Where is 'our airport'?

Funny how culture confusion is all around; even in posts.
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Will be back with updates, but just an amazing thing, he has the ability (when before the shoe racks) to pick up both his shoes with his left toes and raise them up with his foot as a hand and put both the shoes in an upper shoe rack!
I will check if any one of my Jain acquaintances has a marriageable girl. Your friend seems to be an interesting specimen. What is his name? Probably I know his father/uncle/grandfather. Holding shoes with toes - can't you do that? It is an ability from our chimp days. Touching shoes will require a hand wash - Shoucha/cleanliness. I have seen that shepherds in high himalayas also can hold with the help of toes, helps them in traversing mountains (note, they always travel barefoot, even on snow. They do not take shoes to the high meadows. Those places are considered sacred). :D
 
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Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
:eek: Ooops.....I meant that question for Shivafan not you.

My brain was on Sunday morning slow motion mode.

Yeah I got it... but immersion or limited immersion is still a decent topic. This is first hand experience Shivafan is relating, not just hypothetical.

In my experience with immigrants, there is always a limited immersion, even after 30 years. They have chosen (many might say wisely) to not partake in the culture of nightclubs, sports, lake cottages, hunting, and much more. I'm often quite surprised at the limited knowledge of the new home. What seems just so obvious to me is a ?????? to them.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Namaste

The darshan at the Jain Temple with my new Jain friend was an experience for me, these are the type of "full of life" adventures that put the music in the celebration.

But our next darshan at the Hindu Temple that followed was even more of a fantastic addition to a day to always remember. Companionship in such adventures are truly treasured moments and definetly one of the "living scriptures" in Dharma.

I left the Jain Temple with my new friend, already my "first impressions" had drew immediate respect, and this respect was growing more with every hour. There is no way, despite the confusion and distractions and even dangers of the world, be they here in America or elsewhere, would such a person fail at taking the flowers where they are found of the world and manage to make a garland of them despite the initial "culture shock" of a different country. While the hopelessly stupid and selfishly limited people will never see the "diamond" in a big box of candies, there are those who can, and his destiny, IMHO, is he will always find those who will see his maturity and religious stalwart nature as the valued insight that brings the right purpose together like magic.

But yet, he is already building a stablility in his life even at his young age. I came to learn he owns two homes in India, one is a large home he purchased for his beloved Mother and where his brother also lives, and one for himself as well. He is the example of the son that we all admire and who holds in regard his Mother. Whoever he finally marries, she will have the best of husbands and be protective of his family well being.

- On to the Hindu Temple -

The area of the Jain Temple has many wonderful Hindu Temples nearby. The main temple where I like to visit, a Saiva Shiva Murugan Temple, was not in the area though I will be taking him there for sure because he plans to return to the SF Bay Area shortly and as soon as possible. Nearby was a BAPS temple, there is a wonderful Shiva Parvati there but we enjoyed the Jain Temple so much that by the time we left the Jain Temple the BAPS Temple was closed in the late afternoon and would not be open until evening on a Friday schedule.

With so many temples to choose from, my next stop would be the nearby Hindu Temple in a town very close by about 10 minutes drive. This is a large and popular temple, many in the South Bay and beyond visit it, also since a diverse range of the Hindu community come there are many Murtis for all sects be they Shakta, Saiva, Vaisnava, North or South, East or West, Vedic rituals are also held and there are many services and prashad, vegie food, a nice religious store, big feast room, and so on.

We arrived shortly to the Temple parking, and the lot was packed with cars, but after circling around and no spots available, we soon had the best of luck when someone pulled out of the best parking spot of the entire Temple complex and we found ourselves parked directly in the most premium spot right in front of the enterance!

I have visited this temple many times, but it would not be me who would "give the tour" or be the "pandal" if you will.

No, it would be the new friend who would lead the way!

He is out of the car and leading the way, his first words stepping out of the car are "oh, this is a nice temple!".

He leads the way to the shoe rack area, he has the ability to pick up both of his shoes with the toes of his foot, one foot acting like a hand picking up BOTH shoes in one grasp, and then lifting his leg and placing them in one of the upper cells in the shoe rack. Very impressive!

We then wash up in public provided faucets and paper towels, and he leads the way into the main shrine area hitting a ghanta.

The temple was packed, even bhajans were being sung and musical instruments, elderly were along the walls on special benches for the lame or weak, young, old and inbetween there, a smile greets me and my friend from a group of ladies, men moving here and there or offering pranams and so on, the inner sanctum of the altar for the murtis is on a raised stage with elaborate decor and wooden step rails on the left and right of the altar.

After full pranams upon entering (I am following his every move), he then beelines along the wall and up one of the rails and onto the very altar itself with me following. Now a bow to all the combined murtis, then standing in namaste, he says mantra, and then suddenly he has money in his right hand (not sure where he pulled this out from) and he offers it to all murtis (I follow in suit, I keep $5 dollars in a single bill ready in my "pocket watch" pouch), then he walks right up to the Hanuman murti on the altar and places both his hands on the feet of Hanuman then touching his head!

I never touch the murtis up on this altar in the past, but I follow his every single move. Then we descend off the altar down the other other rail, I see no objections from the devotees as the bhajans continue. He then circles the inside of the entire temple, the we exit to the front altar side to the next shrine area.

Here are of course even more murtis including Venkateshwara and others, he stops and give namaste to all shortly, this area opens to a "courtyard" like area, and we circumbulate the Navagraha. Here I deviate from his, I always stop before Shani Dev and give special namaste, so he comes around again and does the same!

Next in a more open area, we spots a beautiful special shrine in a nice "mini temple" of Vinayaka. We are a bit distance from Ganesha, but he makes a sound of "happy to see" and beelines to Vinayaka where he does an elaborate pranams and devotional respect.

Then we are out and in the open! What an nice world tour of the temple WHICH HE GAVE TO ME!

I should add, I visit this temple, but I have no idea who is phaledar or shebaits or anything like that. No one objected to us actually putting hands on the very Hanuman murti on the main altar, I have never done that there nor plan to in the future. But only smiles greeted us along every action.

The "temple store" is the next little adventure, but ... that is to be continued ...

Om Namah Sivaya
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Now, who says murtis cannot be touched. :) Markandeya with Shiva and Yama. Phaledar or shebaits ??

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ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
Indeed, you are correct Aupmanyav, there are many temples which make opportunity to touch murtis. Nice picture! But also, just someone going up onto the altar and touching or moving anything is problematic in the least, I am always careful of edict of each temple. In this case, it was devotion that was in every step, and no one objected at all. One side thought, his "world tour" that he conducted himself was sort of in "reverse direction" of what some others might take, e.g. Vinayaka last rather than first. But his devotion shown to Ganesha also was, in my opinion, the first in order of his seeking doors to open in his next journey to Houston.
Ever since Friray, things have felt particularly blessed by the way.

- Temple Store -

We headed over to the large food area where temple lunches and feasts are held, but the food distribution had already been concluded at that time, so instead we headed over to the temple store.

The store has many delightful items, but my new friend would not let me buy him anything no matter how hard one insisted. A very nice gentleman was managing the store, he would gently bring out one fantastic murti after another from special compartments around the store desk, as well as puja items, in addition to what was already displayed openly. "God pictures" framed were also displayed, lots of religious literature in many languages and different scripts. Small scale capitalism was also in view, with fellow Hindus in business vying for your attention, be they grocery markets or travel agents, insurance, computer repair or whatever. Before I left the store, the fine gent who was managing the temple store was so nice to let me know he was a travel agent and gave me his business card, and I may look him up next time for my travel needs - I see nothing wrong with Hindus helping fellow Hindus in society and business.

I purchased a Goddess picture of Sherawali, Who is a modern emanation of ancient Durga, but instead of riding on a Lion, She rides (or in some very rare depictions stands barefoot and fully erect on the back of) a Tiger. She is special in this Age to many Hindus and especially in East India (Bangal, Oriya etc).

Then out came several objects, one caught my eye as I have seen them before. I will upload a picture to share later, but a small "Shiva Mask" made of what I call "bell metal", about an inch and a half tall and just under that in width. It is called a "mask" since it is only in face relief, not a full head, and concaved inside the back as if one could wear it as a mask. It was very old, I would guess 19th Century and worth more than the small amount I paid. My friend would have no gift.

Leaving the temple store with the shop keepers business card in pocket - "Best Domestic & International Fares - Travel Agent" - we now had the dilemma of hunger pangs.

Where to go for food? The Temple's food service was currently closed.

But wait. There are many other opportunities for temple style vegetarian food, and one popular and known location just minutes away in the same town is a huge Sikh Temple. My friend was approving of the idea, and off we go.

- A Lunch to Remember -

This Sikh complex is very large. My friend wanted to enter the main sanctum of the Gurdwara religious services, this requires wearing a head scarf, such scarfs are available just outside the main entrance. He picked a bright orange one from the box of colored selections, and so did I. Just inside we again parked our shoes on the "men's side" and washed up, then entered.

There were Sikhs but not crowded yet. We walked a long runner down the middle of the temple to the main shrine and donation box, giving a bow and donation, then with the right hand accepting prashad of halva placed in our hand with a napkin by a fine Sikh devotee who sits just to the left of the facing shrine in charge of distributing the prashad.

We then exited back out and towards the feast room right next door, another large complex separated from the main temple by a nice courtyard.

We get in a queue as we approach a "buffet" style food distribution with devotees on the other side filling our square stainless steel thali trays with hot chapatis and hot vegetarian foods and yellow rice, sweet dish, and cool water in stainless steel cups, and stainless steel spoons for the yummy soup dish.

We then line up on the floor which has long, 3 foot wide, carpet runners (the plates go onto the hard floor) with others and enjoy!

It was so delicious my new friend had two helpings of thali plate! But I had my Sikh brothers pile so much food on my plate, one was enough and it was all free, of course.

Around us on the upper parts of the four walls were portraits of Sikh men smiling, handsome indeed. There were also some very nice paintings of Sikh history. An American Sikh comes in to work with the food distributions, with turban and facial hair. There is also two other "Westerners", both young men of college age, enjoying the food as guests.

After we literally stuffed ourselves, returned the empty thali plates to a special back area (outside of the feast room), and returned to the car, my friend was praising that the belated late lunch was perfect.

He really opened up, now full of food, as we started to head more towards the area of his hotel in the car. He looked around at the sights, too, and was looking forward to the "field trip" to Monterey that would be the next day (not to be however since the "boss" flew into SFO and had to be picked up and he was going to escort my new Jain friend to Houston the next day! ugggg). I told him the "history" of this or that peak and sights along the way. He asked about Texas. I told him about how America has different accents, and in Houston there is an accent different than mine. I told him about "cowboy hats" and such. I told him about temples there, and that, yes, there is a notable Indian population. He then, surprisingly, spoke of the upcoming election in India. He likes Modi. He said he wants to come back to SF Bay Area again.

We stopped at an India grocery (per suggestion of ratikala), actually, this is larger than just a grocery, more like a super market and with other Indian stores next to it. He was very impressed, noticably so, actually to me it isn't SO impressive but he was - we picked up some items. I didn't know, but he picked up some samosas to share with me later when we got back.

The next day, my family and I were to spend the day together, and yes we did all get to meet together but as I said the Monterey trip was called off. When I dropped him off at his hotel, he insisted he invite me in where then he surprised me with the samosas. Not sure how he knew I was a big fan of samosas!

That was what was odd about everything in one way. He gave special attention to Hanuman, but yet I never told him of my devotion to Hanuman, and the same to Ganesh he gave special devotion. Probably coincidence. As for samosas, who doesn't like? But oddly, I like samosas more so than most.

So after the samosas, I was off heading home and actually I had to connect into work and do a couple of tasks and email. Despite the next day being a great disappointment later due to the change in events, it was fun to have him meet my family and he was so nice to my daughter and especially of course my wife as they spoke Hindi 1000 miles an hour.

The "boss" ended up in a more expensive hotel. I guess that's how it goes. Soon both would be on a plane to Houston Texas. I have been to Houston so many times. He was fascinated to hear my stories of the hurricane, the flooding. I made clear that Texas isn't the same as California.

I never bought the Jain friend gift. I looked for a watch, but could not find one that was "good enough". But I already got the inside scoop - he will be back in these parts of the woods for a few more adventures so there is still time for that. He wants to go to Lake Tahoe. He is a champ, and the world belongs to him as far as it will take him or he is willing. He is surely a Meru. Since I already know he will be back, the story doesn't end. At least not for me.

One final note, he called us (me and my wife) just before boarding the plane to Houston to thank us.

But I think I have said enough as far as this particular thread, and he will be back soon no doubt. He can take on the world, no question about that. When he returns I might add a few updates later.

What a world traveller this guy is turning out to be!

Om Namah Sivaya
 

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
He is like my college friend, and my dearest, Umrao Singh Pokharna (that shows some distant relationship with the town of Pushkar). A jain, but equally respectful of Shiva and other Hindu Gods and Goddesses. His father was the Chief Minister of the erstwhile principality of Deogarh. The Deogarh princess was married to a former Prime Minister of India, V. P. Singh. Samosa, because he must have got tired of the bland American food. During the training in my second job, I was asked to stay in a Mumbai hotel for about a month which served Western food. I nearly died of hunger. Even the non-vegetarian food was boiled and without spices. Umrao has two daughters but they are happily married. I barely missed asking the hand of his younger daughter in marriage for my son. One reason not to do so was that we are pucca non-vegetarians. It would have been a problem for her. I admire the Sikh 'langar' (food at Gurudwara) but do not like the practice of raising hands to receive chapatis (like beggars), but I understand their reasons.
 
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