A higher power/being

[PearlSeeker]

Do you think/believe there is a higher power/being?

Abiogenisis hasn't been shown. The big bang breaks down at a certain point.....

Now some say "abiogenisis is proven" because there was once no life then there was life...created or not.. Its abiogenisis.

Does that mean since the big bang breaks down at a point that it was created? Its the same concept and logic isn't it.

Yes, I believe there might be a higher power/law.

No, BB doesn't show anything.

 

[SalixIncendium]

I'm agnostic, hopeful athiest.
Not omnipotent, not present, not powerful, not creator, not loving - not God. Yes, let's hope this mess was not created and abandoned by any conscience entity.

What if the creator became so attached and involved in its creation that it became ignorant of its true nature as creator?

 

[wellwisher]

A simple but powerful math concept, can predict that there is something parallel to the universe we know. We live in space-time, where space and time are connected. We propagate in time, only if accompanied by changes in space. We see our bodies age in time, along with changes in our body space, connected to our cellular changes. All the laws of physics, connected to physical reality, assume connected space-time. The term light year sounds like a measure of time, since it has the word year. But it is really a measure of distance. Space-time means, one implies the other.

Conceptually, if we could separate space-time, so each variable could act independently of the other, a whole new type of parallel realm appears. One could move in space, apart from time. This would allow one to become omnipresence, since we could be anywhere in zero time, which is a classic attribute of God. Since this type of movement in space does requires time, it would be in effect even before our space-time universe appears; before the BB. We don't need a clock, yet. God is still brooding all over deep space.

One phenomena, in space-time, where there is plenty of scientific proof for this state of disconnected space and disconnected time, is within the human imagination. We can imagine things that are not possible in space-time. Such things will violate the laws of physics and may be called pseudoscience. Perpetual motion machines, for example, are all considered imaginary, since they violate the laws of space-time. However, these have a consistency to separated space and time where the laws break down.

I can imagine flying to the sun, in one second; faster than the speed of light, and then taking up residence in the fusion core. This is impossible in space-time, in terms of speed and materials. But it can occur in the imagination, as imagery where space and time are not connected as space-time.

This type of information arrangement, is not so much an artifact of the physical matter of the frontal lobe exceeding space-time. Rather the frontal lobe, which is part of space-tine, can process information, in ways, such that the information connections can conceptually exceed and be outside space-time. This allows innovation to appear; new to earth. There is no natural law that would predict the iPhone becoming part of space-time. It needed to step outside that natural logic so it could appear.

In a realm of pure information, which is very different from a realm of matter, there are no laws of matter to be broken, when information arranges itself in ways that conceptually bring us to ideas that appear to be outside of space-time. This has led to the idea of universal consciousness, and eternal memory.

If God was omnipresent, this would mean he would need to exist where space and time are not connected. The idea that Gods is spiritual would need to mean information. He would become manifest in space-time, as information, organized in ways, that mathematically exceed space-time; divine. The frontal lobe should be able to communicate, since it can display information arrangements, needed to bridge space-time, to space without time, and time without space. This could explain why visions and dreams are part of most religions; frontal lobe and disconnected space and time. Follow the math.

Science is looking for a sign though sensory systems which are connected to space-time. This is like looking for birds under the ocean. One will need to look at the quantum physics of the frontal lobe; sweet spot.

 

[Quintessence]

Yes, because it's a matter-of-fact that I am not the highest power in the entire universe. And I get a bit concerned about anyone who believes otherwise, to be honest. That's one heck of an ego trip they've got going there.

 

[stvdv]

Do you think/believe there is a higher power/being?

I know there is a power higher than my egoistic body consciousness. 100% sure

Abiogenisis hasn't been shown. The big bang breaks down at a certain point.....

Now some say "abiogenisis is proven" because there was once no life then there was life...created or not.. Its abiogenisis.

Does that mean since the big bang breaks down at a point that it was created? Its the same concept and isn't logicit.

I don't try to solve mysteries that happened billions of years ago. Good maybe for mental gymnastics, but history taught me that it's futile and useless to try and solve this in this way.

Most people, who try to figure out about God, Creation and other existential questions, follow a kind of upside down route

There is a specific way described by the Sages on how to tackle God like existential problems. I follow their instruction

This upside down route I compare to a 5 year old breaking his mind on Einstein his formula for 4 decades, even not attending regular classes. IF he just had started school, graduate collage, study math etc, he might have grasped the concept within 2 decades. Such mental gymnastics is really not productive, as has been shown by history

 

[Misunderstood]

Do you think/believe there is a higher power/being?

I feel we all do, even those who answered that they don't. They are answering to the last part, 'being'. But the question is 'higher power/being'. I think most everyone would agree that the laws of the universe are a higher power than Mankind. We have to live by those laws, and if we find a way to break them, we find there is a high law controlling how it is possible to break the law we just broke.

But is there a high power that set the laws of the universe that we are made to live under? I believe there is.

 

[sun rise]

As far as creation etc go: In the beginning God created the laws of the universe which science has been discovering. These include abiogenesis and evolution.

 

[Father Heathen]

Could there be a higher power? Maybe.

Have any of the religions hit the nail on the head? Not even close.

 

[CharmingOwl]

I think there is a supreme being but they are so high up that we cannot actually interact with them directly, so it is not worthwhile for many to attempt to interact directly. Other gods who are closer to us should be consulted in order to pass along these messages. Even spirits who are able to physically speak to us in the land of the living would be able to move our prayers up to the universe.

 

[Windwalker]

Do you think/believe there is a higher power/being?

Abiogenisis hasn't been shown. The big bang breaks down at a certain point.....

Now some say "abiogenisis is proven" because there was once no life then there was life...created or not.. Its abiogenisis.

Does that mean since the big bang breaks down at a point that it was created? Its the same concept and logic isn't it.

What does explaining the science of creation have to do with God or a higher power? Is God tied to science somehow?

 

[osgart]

I believe in a higher power. A higher being wouldn't even know we existed. Anything Omni doesn't exist.

Virtues serve well as a higher power. Intelligence is a natural phenomena.

 

[Exaltist Ethan]

May the trinitarianism of pantheism, constituting as The Omniverse (Ultimate Being), and its changes: entropy and extropy, bestow their blessings on you now and into the future.

 

[The Hammer]

Yes... many higher powers actually.

 

[LuisDantas]

The poll would work better for me if I could select more than one option. Therefore, I declined to vote. I would have to vote for all except "yes".

Do you think/believe there is a higher power/being?

I will assume that by this you mean to encapsule a wide variety of god claims.

Abiogenisis hasn't been shown. The big bang breaks down at a certain point.....

Apparently you mean specifically creator deities of some kind.

I must say that these are IMO weird worries for anyone to have.

Abiogenesis technically hasn't been shown... but that is really grasping at straws at this point. What we know of microbiology at this stage of human knowledge all but screams that it must have happened.

I have little knowledge and less interest in cosmology, but I feel that whatever you mean by the Big Bang "breaking down" must be some combination of simple lack of information at the current time or some of the many natural occurrences that seem strange because we are not used to think of them as natural.

Now some say "abiogenisis is proven" because there was once no life then there was life...created or not.. Its abiogenisis.

In a sense that is correct. Unless you somehow propose that life always existed, of course.

The problem with creator gods is that ultimately they explain nothing, but are presented in order to try very hard to be acknowledged as explanations.

Does that mean since the big bang breaks down at a point that it was created? Its the same concept and logic isn't it.

Sorry, I am not following.

 

[syo]

higher

Higher? That's hierarchy.

 

[exchemist]

Do you think/believe there is a higher power/being?

Abiogenisis hasn't been shown. The big bang breaks down at a certain point.....

Now some say "abiogenisis is proven" because there was once no life then there was life...created or not.. Its abiogenisis.

Does that mean since the big bang breaks down at a point that it was created? Its the same concept and logic isn't it.

The point is that abiogenesis does not describe a process, it is just a term for the transition from no life to life, however it took place. It's not a matter of it being "proven". If one accepts that once there was no life on the Earth, then abiogenesis occurred, because now there is life. How abiogenesis occurred is the interesting subject.

It's not the Big Bang that breaks down at a certain point. The Big Bang is a model for the very early stages of expansion of the universe, based on extrapolating from observations of the cosmos. The extrapolation can't be extended right back to what looks like the start because the laws of physics break down at a certain point. So the Big Bang does not attempt to describe the start, if there was a start. The Big Bang describes what seems to have happened from a point shortly after that.

None of this has any relation to whether or not there may be a higher power or being. This is just science. "God of the Gaps" (a phrase coined by one of the professors whose lectures I attended at university, and who was a Methodist lay preacher) is a lousy basis for faith in a supernatural power.

God of the gaps - Wikipedia

 

[TagliatelliMonster]

Do you think/believe there is a higher power/being?

No.

Abiogenisis hasn't been shown. The big bang breaks down at a certain point.....

Don't see how this is relevant to the question asked.
Neither being correct or wrong would prove or disprove a "higher power / being", so why mention it?

Now some say "abiogenisis is proven" because there was once no life then there was life...created or not.. Its abiogenisis.

Nobody would say "abiogenesis is proven" when referring to the scientific hypothesis, because obviously those aren't proven. In fact, no science theory is ever considered "proven".

If however one just means that it is a fact that at one point there was no life and at a later point there was, therefor it came about in *some* way... then yes, that's pretty obvious.

But once again, how is that relevant to a "higher power / being"?

Does that mean since the big bang breaks down at a point that it was created? Its the same concept and logic isn't it.

I don't get it.

Let's say both a scientific abiogenesis model as well as the big bang theory are accurate.
How does that disprove a "higher being / power"?

 

[Brian2]

I hope there's no God.
No God watching children raped. No God watching starvation, earthquakes, overpopulation, pollution - no God sitting back ignoring prayers, rewarding greed, blessing entitled prideful pedophiles.

I hope it's just the laws of nature.

I hope there is a God and one day we will understand why.

 

[PureX]

I accept the probability of a "higher power", and I choose to characterize it's effect in this world as love, honesty, wisdom, forgiveness, kindness, generosity, joy and gratitude.

 

[We Never Know]

No.



Don't see how this is relevant to the question asked.
Neither being correct or wrong would prove or disprove a "higher power / being", so why mention it?



Nobody would say "abiogenesis is proven" when referring to the scientific hypothesis, because obviously those aren't proven. In fact, no science theory is ever considered "proven".

If however one just means that it is a fact that at one point there was no life and at a later point there was, therefor it came about in *some* way... then yes, that's pretty obvious.

But once again, how is that relevant to a "higher power / being"?



I don't get it.

Let's say both a scientific abiogenesis model as well as the big bang theory are accurate.
How does that disprove a "higher being / power"?

They are "relevant" because many don't accept the big bang or abiogenisis..... a god created the universe and life.