a letter to the muslims

[_salam_]

Actually, if you go to an Orthodox Church that hasn't any pews, then you're likely see people bowing down. However, I won't say more, as it's a little off-topic.

Cool, I didn't know that. However, I would still like to hear what Chuck has to say regarding what I posted.

 

[No*s]

Cool, I didn't know that. However, I would still like to hear what Chuck has to say regarding what I posted.

I'll be looking for that as well...

 

[chuck010342]

Cool, I didn't know that. However, I would still like to hear what Chuck has to say regarding what I posted.

Whoa I'm lost here. What am I supposed to respond to?

 

[Sunstone]

Take a look at post #35, Chuck. I think that's what Salam and No*s might be refering to.

 

[chuck010342]

Jews used to prostrate themselves in the same way that muslims do, and even kneeling like christians, but that's ended now since it's so associated with other faiths, however there is bowing that goes on when you daven (pray).

Did Jesus EVER say that you have to bow while praying?

 

[linwood]

Thats just my point. They can't be christians if they do some things that, The very man whom Christianity is based around, Didn't do they are not christians

Hmm..Niether was Christ, a Christian that is

That would mean that anyone who calls themselves Christian are doing something Christ wouldn`t do(be a Christian).

That would mean...none of you get it..hehhehe..

No..That can`t be it.

 

[_salam_]

Did Jesus EVER say that you have to bow while praying?

No, not that I know of. However, I thought you said that Christians should follow what Christ did, and according to the Bible he did do that. Plus I'm pretty sure other prophets and people mentioned in the Bible are recorded as praying the same way also.

 

[Feathers in Hair]

You can do all the evil you want, as long as you believe in a man named Jesus (as), who is supposedly God, and can get you in Heaven no matter what.

And you find this in the bible? Please show me where

Actually, I think it was in the people who are claiming to be Christians that it was found.

 

[_salam_]

Actually, I think it was in the people who are claiming to be Christians that it was found.

Agree.

 

[No*s]

Actually, I think it was in the people who are claiming to be Christians that it was found.

I fully agree, but I doubt that anyone who subscribes to Sola Scriptura will...

 

[croak]

According to Islam, 'Isa (Jesus) (as) was not a Christian or a Jew, because the Jews' book was changed, and they believed in things that were untrue, and Christians actually are the people who followed Paul. A Roman messenger, I think, wanted to know how to report this new religion to the Emperor. He gave the name Christianity, after the name Christos, which is clearly related to Christ, and Paul and his followers were borna. Hence, the Christians were created.

 

[chuck010342]

do you keep kosher? Do you shave? Do you observe the Sabbath starting on friday night?

NO, YES, NO

 

[chuck010342]

Hmm..Niether was Christ, a Christian that is

That would mean that anyone who calls themselves Christian are doing something Christ wouldn`t do(be a Christian).

That would mean...none of you get it..hehhehe..

No..That can`t be it.

Quite right linwood thats why my religion is not christian

 

[chuck010342]

Says who?

Jesus

 

[chuck010342]

I agree. Yes a prayer is simply talking to God. However, salat, which is what your refering to when your taking about the "praying" toward Mecca, isn't prayer. A better translation of the word salat would be worship, so praying is anything else that you ask of God outside of salat.

Great a love learning new terms. So you worship God in the direction of Mecca. Therefore God is not above matter because he wants to be worshiped in a paticular direction.

Just like when you go to church, your not just going there to pray your going there to worship God. Only difference is that we are suppose to worship God five times a day everyday, it can be done anywhere (although worhsipping at the masjid is highly encouraged), and of course the obvious differences in how we worship.

Guess what Jesus never said "go to church"

Also, I have to agree with everybody that the questions your asking are a bit trivial. If you're trying to make a point just make it, there's no need to beat around the bush. Plus you said that you already know how we're going to answer these questions, so lets just cut to the chase.

Okay then answer my question

Last, I noticed that you said that "real" christians shouldn't be doing things that Jesus (pbuh) didn't do, I'm going to assume that by saying this you would agree that Christians should also try and do the things that Jesus (pbuh) did do. Right? Well here's a little FYI, the Bible states in Matthew 26:39

A muslim telling me what the bible says? Thats fine but why are you doing this? Don't you think that the bible lied to us and that it isn't true?

"Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

Hmmm. Now thats interesting to me. Aside from the obvious fact that Jesus (pbuh) appears to be praying (or worshipping or whatever you want to call it) like Muslim's pray, I can't say I have ever, EVER, in the 19 years of going to church every Sunday, seen a Christian fall on his face in prayer. I kinda suspect that you don't do this either, but I could be wrong, yet you claim that you should do what Jesus (pbuh) did.

When you pray to God you do so under different circumstances. Jesus was going to be crucified and die a horrible death. So If I'm about to die like That I think I would fall at my face like he did

 

[jewscout]

do you keep kosher? Do you shave? Do you observe the Sabbath starting on friday night?

NO, YES, NO

then how are you living like a first century palestinian jew?:sarcastic

 

[croak]

chuck, if God asked you to do something (and you knew it was Him), you'd obey, right? Muhammed (saas) got the revelation from Allah, so he had no choice but to follow orders.

 

[jewscout]

Did Jesus EVER say that you have to bow while praying?

Did Jesus EVER say that you have to bow while praying?

hmmm interesting point lets see here ...........

Thats just my point. They can't be christians if they do some things that, The very man whom Christianity is based around, Didn't do they are not christians

but, as one of our muslim cousins have pointed out Jesus did prostrate himself before G-d much like earlier jews did and muslims do now

And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed,

 

[chuck010342]

then how are you living like a first century palestinian jew?:sarcastic

I don't see Jesus as a first century jew. Being sarcastic are we? This is a place for debate and not discussion so I don't think sarcasm is appropiate

 

[chuck010342]

No, not that I know of. However, I thought you said that Christians should follow what Christ did, and according to the Bible he did do that. Plus I'm pretty sure other prophets and people mentioned in the Bible are recorded as praying the same way also.

If YOU are going to tell ME what the bible says I suggest you give me the Verse numbers.