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A little logic.

Popeyesays

Popeyesays

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Papersock said:
I'm not a Christian, but I'll throw in my thoughts anyway.

If god is indeed perfect, does that necessarily mean that we also must be perfect? And perfect in what sense? Physically? Spiritually? As others have said "image" probably doesn't mean physical. Or maybe it did but we don't interpret it that way anymore. I'm not sure. I'm no Biblical scholar.

Does having vestigial structures make us less perfect? Are they actually vestigial?

Even IF your question holds up and vestigial structures in our anatomy is proof that we are not perfect (I personally don’t think anything can be perfect, as perfection is just a concept), Christians might say that we were perfect before the fall but we are not anymore.
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What perfects Man as opposed to the rest of the animals? The ability to act on rational thought, rather than instinct. Sure instinct has its place, but we can override instinct. We can make choices based on our ability to intuit and reason.

Regards,
Scott
 
Super Universe

Super Universe

Defender of God
kai said:
yossarian22 said:
How can spirituality have an image?
Unless you mean something deeper than just appearance (in which case there are probably better words)[/quote

why cant we concentrate on the words that are actually there instead of trying to make them mean something else when they just don't make sense. just thank your lucky stars god doesn't look like an aardvark :yes:
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How would a very wise being explain the process by which deoxynucleicacid codes for organic tissue and also joins biology with spirit to someone five thousand years ago?

Remember, back then they didn't know what caused the wind, or rain, or earthquakes. They didn't know why the seasons changed. They didn't know about germs or anything smaller than their eyes could see.

It's like talking to a child, you speak in very general terms and don't go into specifics you know they won't understand.
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Scuba Pete

Scuba Pete

Le plongeur avec attitude...
For those of you who wish to cast the image as merely physical, I have to ask why?

The Scriptures indicate that God is not made up of the physical stuff that we are. God is Spirit.

John 4:24 "God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." NIV

They also reveal that God BECAME flesh in Jesus Christ, indicating that he was NOT flesh before.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. NIV

So there is no need to rail against Christians holding to the fact that we are created in God's Spiritual Image. It is entirely consistent with our other beliefs. If this ruins any of your well planned arguments debunking our beliefs: too stinking bad.
 
sandy whitelinger

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
Aniki said:
I've thought up a small problem for christians, and no one I know has been able to solve it.

IF god made man in his own image and IF god is perfect, then man's image, at least, is perfect. If man's image is perfect, why does he then have vestigial structures or organs such as the tailbone?
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Your understanding of what "in God's image" means is flawed.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
Tailbones are obviously in the image of God's tailbone.
 
McBell

McBell

Unbound
Papersock said:
Perfection is subjective, don't you think?
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You hit the nail on the head.
besides which, as has been pointed out in another post, why would one assume that the perfection of God has to be given to the creation of God.
If we were created for a specific purpose then our perfection, if perfection must indeed be transferred to the created, would only extend as far as needed for the specific purpose, right?

Scuba Pete said:
For those of you who wish to cast the image as merely physical, I have to ask why?

The Scriptures indicate that God is not made up of the physical stuff that we are. God is Spirit.

John 4:24 "God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in spirit and in truth." NIV

They also reveal that God BECAME flesh in Jesus Christ, indicating that he was NOT flesh before.

John 1:14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth. NIV

So there is no need to rail against Christians holding to the fact that we are created in God's Spiritual Image. It is entirely consistent with our other beliefs. If this ruins any of your well planned arguments debunking our beliefs: too stinking bad.
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This is yet another reason why I do not understand the question/argument of the OP.
Especially if it is true that God is unknowable.
If God is unknowable, then we can not know what his image is.
therefore we have no basis for comparison.
 
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Kingfrog

Doubting Thomas
Aniki said:
I've thought up a small problem for christians, and no one I know has been able to solve it.

IF god made man in his own image and IF god is perfect, then man's image, at least, is perfect. If man's image is perfect, why does he then have vestigial structures or organs such as the tailbone?
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Man IS perfect. Look at the way the body works, the way it stays alive, Where the eyes are, and on and on. We are perfect...We also have a thumb four fingers and hair on our bodies. Neither of which we really need. We can get survive with three fingers and a thumb.

BUT Our bodies are perfectly mortal as ALL life is. It is born to die yet serves a perfect purpose in it's existence. God's purpose. I do not know what the mosquito's purpose is but I do know there is a reason for them.
 
Francine

Francine

Well-Known Member
Kingfrog said:
BUT Our bodies are perfectly mortal as ALL life is. It is born to die yet serves a perfect purpose in it's existence. God's purpose. I do not know what the mosquito's purpose is but I do know there is a reason for them.
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Do King Frogs eat mosquitoes? Somebody does.
 
mr.guy

mr.guy

crapsack
Aniki said:
IF god made man in his own image and IF god is perfect, then man's image, at least, is perfect. If man's image is perfect, why does he then have vestigial structures or organs such as the tailbone?
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1)Does being perfect necessarily translate to your "image" being perfect?

2)What is an "image"?

3)IF "perfection" doesn't transmit via one's "image", why is man's "image" "at least" perfect?

4)If "perfection" lends itself to one's "image", how do vestigial structures diminish "perfection"?
 
logician

logician

Well-Known Member
Aniki said:
I've thought up a small problem for christians, and no one I know has been able to solve it.

IF god made man in his own image and IF god is perfect, then man's image, at least, is perfect. If man's image is perfect, why does he then have vestigial structures or organs such as the tailbone?
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Simple answer, there is no god.
 
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