How are you defining "miraculous?" If it means merely remarkable, I'd agree with you, but I take it to mean in violation of the laws and constants of nature.
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A lot Of People Talk About Needing Evidence To Believe There’s A God
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This is practically a word salad. Please explain your claims in clear sentences;.
And, again, how are you defining logic? You're using it in a sense I can't make heads or tails of.
Life can't be 'understood' from a goddidit perspective either -- much less, in fact.
Science at least proposes a mechanism and produces supporting evidence. Religion or the paranormal offer no explanation at all; no mechanism, no empirical evidence.
Peace to all,
To me in logic, If salvation has to be explained so even a child can understand it, Then we know logically it is true.
Failed mortal and corrupt Creation and death fulfilled in resurrection and Transfigured Creation through the Power of the Holy Spirit.
The Spirit of choice, logically creates love, Eve brought spirit and life to Adam, even though she was told she would surely die if she did. In logic and faith we see Eve wanting the best for Adam which is Love and she forgets about her mortal life only to bring love to Adam.
And Adam's choice was to live forever with out the love of Eve or to die with it. We all would have done the same thing, die with the Love of Eve.
In the Garden of Eden here we see logically the Love created by Adam and Eve, and eternal Love is fulfilled by the New Adam, and through the New Eve, the Body of the immortal and incorruptible Christ in all mankind becoming transformed and becoming again, glorified and transfigured as one in being.
And the New Adam, Jesus resurrects failed love through His Passion in eternal Love, His Passion, Eternal Love Fulfilled in all mankind.
To me the Logic of the Kingdom of the Divine Will of Creation is Love created by Adam and Eve and eternal Love fulfilled by The Chist is fulfilled in the faith and morality of The One God.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
To me in logic, If salvation has to be explained so even a child can understand it, Then we know logically it is true.
Failed mortal and corrupt Creation and death fulfilled in resurrection and Transfigured Creation through the Power of the Holy Spirit.
The Spirit of choice, logically creates love, Eve brought spirit and life to Adam, even though she was told she would surely die if she did. In logic and faith we see Eve wanting the best for Adam which is Love and she forgets about her mortal life only to bring love to Adam.
And Adam's choice was to live forever with out the love of Eve or to die with it. We all would have done the same thing, die with the Love of Eve.
In the Garden of Eden here we see logically the Love created by Adam and Eve, and eternal Love is fulfilled by the New Adam, and through the New Eve, the Body of the immortal and incorruptible Christ in all mankind becoming transformed and becoming again, glorified and transfigured as one in being.
And the New Adam, Jesus resurrects failed love through His Passion in eternal Love, His Passion, Eternal Love Fulfilled in all mankind.
To me the Logic of the Kingdom of the Divine Will of Creation is Love created by Adam and Eve and eternal Love fulfilled by The Chist is fulfilled in the faith and morality of The One God.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
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Please stop preaching, A.S. You're just making statements, but backing them up with nothing.
Anyone can make claims. I could claim there was an elephant in my bathroom, but you wouldn't believe me without evidence, would you?
Where is the evidence for your claims?
OK Thanks STephen, no problem, thanks again, take care.
RestlessSoul
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Miraculous as in astonishingly improbable, invoking awe, wonder, and humility.
Seen from this perspective, that there are laws and constants of nature, may be regarded as a miracle in itself.
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I'm all for science going as far as it can go, but I can also make the judgment that it is clearly an incomplete understanding at this time. Being incomplete, it begs for new hypotheses, such as intelligent agencies that willed things to occur for life.
Science of the future can even come to understand that there are realms of reality with things like higher beings and nature guides/spirits as suggested by many claiming sensing beyond the physical senses and instruments of today. And these things may produce a more complete understanding of what some call 'the miracle of life'.
So, the 'goddidit' perspective can also contain more detail than just ending there.
Peace to all,
To me, through logic and faith the finite disciplines of earth have thrown in the towel trying to explain the static state of eternity and the dynamic fulfillment of eternal love.
To me and logic, if all of the laws of creation were written, not even the world could contain the books of the logic, of the intelligence of creations power.
To me and logic, the Word exist before creation was ever created was even created. And the word in logic is the intelligence of creation that manifests eternity without failure. And the Word becomes flesh the mind of God in the flesh of being in the person of Jesus as the Christ. And the Christ leaves behind in real time the intelligence of creation as the Holy Spirit being shared for all mankind in the flesh to become again the intelligence of creation united as one in being together with the Father and the Son, glorified and transfigured becoming again the image of the creator God for the Father.
Peace always,
Stephen
To me, through logic and faith the finite disciplines of earth have thrown in the towel trying to explain the static state of eternity and the dynamic fulfillment of eternal love.
To me and logic, if all of the laws of creation were written, not even the world could contain the books of the logic, of the intelligence of creations power.
To me and logic, the Word exist before creation was ever created was even created. And the word in logic is the intelligence of creation that manifests eternity without failure. And the Word becomes flesh the mind of God in the flesh of being in the person of Jesus as the Christ. And the Christ leaves behind in real time the intelligence of creation as the Holy Spirit being shared for all mankind in the flesh to become again the intelligence of creation united as one in being together with the Father and the Son, glorified and transfigured becoming again the image of the creator God for the Father.
Peace always,
Stephen
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McBell
Admiral Obvious
You keep using the word "logic".
I am pretty sure you do not know what the word means.
Peace to all,
Thanks, McBell in logic we can understand, created transformed, and transfigured, but what finite discipline could explain the power of the Holy Spirit manifesting immortal, corruptible, life, becoming glorified and transfigured after all mankind being created, mortal and corrupt except for the Christ.
Peace always,
Stephen
Thanks, McBell in logic we can understand, created transformed, and transfigured, but what finite discipline could explain the power of the Holy Spirit manifesting immortal, corruptible, life, becoming glorified and transfigured after all mankind being created, mortal and corrupt except for the Christ.
Peace always,
Stephen
McBell
Admiral Obvious
The more you use the word, the more obvious it is you do not know what it means.
Peace to all,
Thanks, McBell,
I see what you are saying.
Jesus logically was born immortal and incorruptible, Baptized by His Cousin John in the River Jordan from death to life Jesus in the Will of The Creator God for The Father descended and emptied the chasm of the Bosom of Abraham and crossed over in the flesh and physically closed the Chasm of Death and resurrected in the flesh, body, blood, soul and divinity all life and all holiness becoming glorified and transfigured, the firstborn back to heaven reborn from the cross where the blood and water flowed in the rebirth of The Christ, the firstborn of Creation for all mankind, right?
Science can never prove the becomings in the finite understanding using technology or chemistry, mathmatics, ect, but the becomings are clear in logic.
Thanks in advance,
Peace always,
Stephen
Thanks, McBell,
I see what you are saying.
Jesus logically was born immortal and incorruptible, Baptized by His Cousin John in the River Jordan from death to life Jesus in the Will of The Creator God for The Father descended and emptied the chasm of the Bosom of Abraham and crossed over in the flesh and physically closed the Chasm of Death and resurrected in the flesh, body, blood, soul and divinity all life and all holiness becoming glorified and transfigured, the firstborn back to heaven reborn from the cross where the blood and water flowed in the rebirth of The Christ, the firstborn of Creation for all mankind, right?
Science can never prove the becomings in the finite understanding using technology or chemistry, mathmatics, ect, but the becomings are clear in logic.
Thanks in advance,
Peace always,
Stephen
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Peace to all,
To me in logic, the Abrahamic faiths have in common the spirit. Some see the spirit as a power or a force but Christianity sees the Power as a Person of Being as The Holy Spirit Will of Creation that becomes through the Word, the authority of all spirit and life that exists before creation was ever created was even created. And the Word became flesh in The Christ.
True, thanks for the info, Sgt. Pepper, eyeopening, and to me in logic, we see science has thrown in the towel on many occasions and in the case of Einstein, in using the finite disciplines from the best minds of earth, and as a rational being, Einstein simply said, "I do not know how it is done?" But in logic, which has more power than all of the finite disciplines of earth, even a child can understand creation, and eternity.
Peace always,
Stephen
To me in logic, the Abrahamic faiths have in common the spirit. Some see the spirit as a power or a force but Christianity sees the Power as a Person of Being as The Holy Spirit Will of Creation that becomes through the Word, the authority of all spirit and life that exists before creation was ever created was even created. And the Word became flesh in The Christ.
True, thanks for the info, Sgt. Pepper, eyeopening, and to me in logic, we see science has thrown in the towel on many occasions and in the case of Einstein, in using the finite disciplines from the best minds of earth, and as a rational being, Einstein simply said, "I do not know how it is done?" But in logic, which has more power than all of the finite disciplines of earth, even a child can understand creation, and eternity.
Peace always,
Stephen
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Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
I agree with you, George. Personally, I value science and believe that it is essential and beneficial for learning about the physical world. However, I doubt that it will ever be able to explain anything metaphysical (deities, earthbound spirits, or anything else supernatural), just as I doubt that scientific research will ever be able to rationally explain or debunk the supernatural phenomena that I strongly believe occur in the physical world. Maybe science will catch on someday, but I doubt it. I say this because I believe that there are genuine supernatural phenomena that defy both scientific and religious explanations.
My opinion is based on my lifetime of experience, which began when I was six years old. That is 45 years of experience. However, I have some vague memories of seeing spirits when I was four and five years old. They would wave at me, and I would wave back, prompting my parents or another relative to ask me who I was waving at. So I've seen enough of this phenomenon to know for certain that it is real. I've also had multiple eyewitnesses confirm my first-hand experiences with it. In addition, I've been evaluated by two therapists and three psychologists in an attempt to determine if there is a natural explanation for what I've been experiencing since I was a child, but there is none. I've also undergone a psychiatric evaluation and two cranial CT scans in a more focused effort to find a natural explanation for what I experience, but yet again, there is none. As a result of these attempts, I'm confident that what I'm experiencing is real, and modern science has yet to conclusively explain it. These are the reasons why I believe that there are supernatural phenomena occurring in the physical world, something that neither science nor the Bible nor any religious dogma can rationally explain or refute. Of course, these are simply my beliefs, and I don't expect others to accept them. Finally, I'm including the following post, which further explains my viewpoint on this subject.
What is Evidence?
I never spoke for others. I simply list simple facts. Which part of my speech made you think that I speak for others, please point it out. Thanks. Who knows how many pages back. Post the whole thing if you're curious.
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Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
It is not logic but illogical to believe in things without evidence.
Peace to all,
True, Aupmanyav, it is hard to prove the existence of God and,
To me in logic, the Abrahamic faiths have in common the spirit. Some see the spirit as a power or a force but Christianity sees the Power as a Person of Being as The Holy Spirit Will of Creation that becomes through the Word, the authority of all spirit and life that exists before creation was ever created was even created. And the Word became flesh in The Christ.
True, thanks for the info, Sgt. Pepper, eyeopening, and to me in logic, we see science has thrown in the towel on many occasions and in the case of Einstein, in using the finite disciplines from the best minds of earth, and as a rational being, Einstein simply said, "I do not know how it is done?" But in logic, which has more power than all of the finite disciplines of earth, even a child can understand creation, and eternity.
Peace always,
Stephen
True, Aupmanyav, it is hard to prove the existence of God and,
To me in logic, the Abrahamic faiths have in common the spirit. Some see the spirit as a power or a force but Christianity sees the Power as a Person of Being as The Holy Spirit Will of Creation that becomes through the Word, the authority of all spirit and life that exists before creation was ever created was even created. And the Word became flesh in The Christ.
True, thanks for the info, Sgt. Pepper, eyeopening, and to me in logic, we see science has thrown in the towel on many occasions and in the case of Einstein, in using the finite disciplines from the best minds of earth, and as a rational being, Einstein simply said, "I do not know how it is done?" But in logic, which has more power than all of the finite disciplines of earth, even a child can understand creation, and eternity.
Peace always,
Stephen
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
That is invoking the 'God of gaps'. Science has gone to certain stage, it will go farther in times to come. You want your answer here and now, insert whatever you want because you are not giving any evidence. If there is evidence for that, science will accept it. In absence of evidence, whatever understanding you come up with is fiction.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
Believe whatever you want. Believing in Christian God and his son is no different from believing in FSM, Cthulhu or Sha Ka Ree.
Why mention Einstein? Was he a know-all? He had his time, believed what he believed. How does that concern someone else 70 years after his passing away. That is person worship. He was right in many things. He was wrong in some.
"Thus, the Buddha named ten specific sources whose knowledge should not be immediately viewed as truthful without further investigation to avoid fallacies:
1. Oral history 2. Tradition 3. News sources 4. Scriptures or other official texts 5. Suppositional reasoning 6. Philosophical dogmatism 7. Common sense 8. One's own opinions 9. Experts 10. Authorities or one's own teacher."
Kesamutti Sutta - Wikipedia
Peace to all,
True the same logic exists, but science constantly improves, and the more science advances the more it realizes it understands even less about eternity.
Peace always,
Stephen
True the same logic exists, but science constantly improves, and the more science advances the more it realizes it understands even less about eternity.
Peace always,
Stephen