sandandfoam
Veteran Member
At the outset - I oppose violence in any circumstances. I would harm no-one for drawing or saying anything. That said, I think people who can't seperate challenge/criticise from insult need to try harder.
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A majority of Muslims in England are against free speech, according to a poll
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At the outset - I oppose violence in any circumstances. I would harm no-one for drawing or saying anything. That said, I think people who can't seperate challenge/criticise from insult need to try harder.
Father Heathen
Veteran Member
What speech and rights are being restricted, exactly?
Why not? Why should people feel obligated to give undue reverence to the beliefs of others, especially when they find them to be rather repulsive?
waitasec
Veteran Member
i also think it's a cultural thing. the one who's idea is being challenged needs to understand expression takes on many forms. not everyone can express themselves the same way...if we did then i would think this world would be very one dimensional, and from what i gather it isn't...
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Offended isn't something that happens to you. It's something that you do to yourself.
drawing Mohamed having sex is an IDEA??!!
i noticed that you neglected my first point
nothing to restrict,i just blame who use freedom of speech like that
and yes we should respect each other when critezing,ofcourse if we are tolerant
and you neglected the first point too
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
Once you learn how to respond instead of react, and that how you respond is completely in your control, then you will also no longer give other people power of your emotions - including being offended.
Of course, many people enjoy the sensation of being offended, so they have no problem in giving other people power over them.
True dat!
Tis a matter of personal responsibility....a difficult burden for some to assume.
waitasec
Veteran Member
so, didn't mohammed have sex with many many wives?
you take it as an insult, it was meant to make a statement...which is;
is your god subjected to insult? if he is then your god is insecure.
stephkeating
New Member
Does anyone think this has anything to do with the riots?
everybody knows that we even don't draw Mohamed at all
if he is tolerant he would have respected that,but he meant to insult ofcourse
so we all know that you (forexample) have sex,would it be normal to draw you like that??,i'm sure if somebody drew any priest or president like that,you answer would have been different!!
so boycott is bad reaction?!,you want us to respond and draw something like him or what???,if you are talking about attacking embassies ofcourse that's wrong but where did that happen??
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
No, I'm saying being offended is up to you. It's your decision.
waitasec
Veteran Member
that is a part of your culture...not ours.
our culture gives us the freedom of expression, the opposite of oppression.
but you see i do not claim to be the supreme being of the universe, i hold a very high standard for something that does...
are you comparing gods insecurity to our own?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
That's up to you. I realize having control over your own emotions and responses is a difficult concept for many people.
waitasec
Veteran Member
it takes two to tango...
it is a self defeating tactic to react in any hostile manner, it doesn't help the situation...
sort of like when a movie comes out that the religious community banns together to protest it...they end up giving the movie free publicity and makes way for the creators of the movie to make more money...it self defeating.
if the religious community were more secure about their faith, they wouldn't give it a moments thought...
it's called being stable, steadfast and unwavering...something religion seems to offer...and i cannot see that when the religious community responds in such a hostile manner.
i'm tottaly with you
that means you find his drawing offending move,but we shouldn't get provoked?
waitasec
Veteran Member
i wouldn't say provoked because if one is provoked it is because power was given to the idea of what they were expressing.
consider what kilgore trout is saying; that's up to you, isn't it?
you are free to react the way you react, question is why do we react the way we do? out of fear or a sense of peace.
if it's out of fear then it's hostile, if one feels secure then why feed into it...
turn the other cheek, so to speak.
whick reaction you mean?
anyway i agree that we should have just neglected him
but you know where is the prolem?
muslims feels that western government and alot of western people support such actions!!
that's why they don't find it only a person's behaviour
Then they should study the West to understand what free speech is all about.
Things are said. That does not mean the state supports all such things.
But I suspect that hot headed elements in Islam would rather not understand,
lest it soften their rage & lust for violent retribution for mere empty words.
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