A majority of Muslims in England are against free speech, according to a poll

[Father Heathen]

i'm not talking about what is ignorance and what is right
for me it's idiocy to show a man who has established the greated civilization ever,the biggest empire ever as an ignorant,violent,and idiont man

Even f it was idiotic, people still have a right to believe and say idiotic things. What if someone tried to silence you because they thought your beliefs were idiotic?

i'm talking about freedom of speech,it's duplicty
i'm not denying haulocust at all,but how come i'm not free to say whatever i want?!
how come there is a charge called Antisemitismus
!!

I agree. People should be allow to say what they want. I don't agree with the laws that forbid holocaust denial and antisemitism, even though I strongly disagree with such sentiments themselves.

 

[Mohamed]

How were they dealt with unfairly?

weren't they?!!
you really don't see that Europe and USA fighted islam in all ways?!

 

[Mohamed]

Even f it was idiotic, people still have a right to believe and say idiotic things. What if someone tried to silence you because they thought your beliefs were idiotic?

I agree. People should be allow to say what they want. I don't agree with the laws that forbid holocaust denial and antisemitism, even though I strongly disagree with such sentiments themselves.

we have reached an agreement here :yes:

 

[England my lionheart]

i'm not talking about what is ignorance and what is right
for me it's idiocy to show a man who has established the greated civilization ever,the biggest empire ever as an ignorant,violent,and idiont man

Thats wrong as there were bigger Empires,as for greater thats a matter of opinion.

i'm talking about freedom of speech,it's duplicty
i'm not denying haulocust at all,but how come i'm not free to say whatever i want?!
how come there is a charge called Antisemitismus
!!

People who deny the Holocaust are usually from some right wing group who are very antisemetic which is Racism which is a crime.

 

[England my lionheart]

weren't they?!!
you really don't see that Europe and USA fighted islam in all ways?!

It seems to me Islam spends much more time fighting against itself.

 

[Father Heathen]

People who deny the Holocaust are usually from some right wing group who are very antisemetic which is Racism which is a crime.

It's ignorant, but why should it be considered a crime?

.

 

[England my lionheart]

It's ignorant, but why should it be considered a crime?

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I don't think denying the Holocaust to be a crime (the European union does) in itself but when its done with the intent of antisemetism it becomes racism which is illegal,Holocaust deniers are indeed ignorant of the facts.

 

[Revoltingest]

I don't think denying the Holocaust to be a crime (the European union does) in itself but when its done with the intent of antisemetism it becomes racism which is illegal,Holocaust deniers are indeed ignorant of the facts.

I'm glad we're allowed to think & express racist thoughts here.
Our leaders are to opportunistic, malevolent & stupid to wield such power over speech.
Of course, I've no more respect for British or EU leaders either.

 

[England my lionheart]

I'm glad we're allowed to think & express racist thoughts here.
Our leaders are to opportunistic, malevolent & stupid to wield such power over speech.
Of course, I've no more respect for British or EU leaders either.

Join the queue,i have zero respect for them but i dislike racism

 

[jarofthoughts]

weren't they?!!
you really don't see that Europe and USA fighted islam in all ways?!

Please explain to me how you think Muslims in, say, Scandinavia are being treated unfairly, or, if that's too difficult (which I'd understand as not everyone is on the up and up on Scandinavian politics), in northern Europe.

 

[Father Heathen]

Join the queue,i have zero respect for them but i dislike racism

I dislike racism as well, but I also dislike censorship. The best way to combat false notions is with education and rational rebuttals, not through imposing silence and stifling freedom. Any and all ideas should be openly expressed, but also openly critiqued and scrutinized. Governments trying to police people's thoughts and feelings is too Orwellian.

 

[England my lionheart]

I dislike racism as well, but I also dislike censorship. The best way to combat false notions is with education and rational rebuttals, not through imposing silence and stifling freedom. Any and all ideas should be openly expressed, but also openly critiqued and scrutinized. Governments trying to police people's thoughts and feelings is too Orwellian.

I agree that censorship goes too far but where do we draw the line,recently at a Football match some Bananas were throw on the pitch followed by racist abuse directed at the black players.

 

[Father Heathen]

I agree that censorship goes too far but where do we draw the line,recently at a Football match some Bananas were throw on the pitch followed by racist abuse directed at the black players.

The line is drawn at actual threats, harassment and actions that victimize or violate the rights of innocent people. The banana throwing is obviously a public disruption.

There is a difference between someone merely stating "I detest the English" and someone following you around tossing limes at you.

 

[England my lionheart]

The line is drawn at actual threats, harassment and actions that victimize or violate the rights of innocent people. The banana throwing is obviously a public disruption.

There is a difference between someone merely stating "I detest the English" and someone following you around tossing limes at you.

As long as they toss Tequila first i'm ok with the Limes

 

[Father Heathen]

As long as they toss Tequila first i'm ok with the Limes

But will it still stave off scurvy?

 

[England my lionheart]

But will it still stave off scurvy?

With enough Tequila it doesn't matter

 

[beenie]

It seems to me Islam spends much more time fighting against itself.

Unfortunately, this is true.

 

[Mohamed]

It seems to me Islam spends much more time fighting against itself.

that's not islam
just leaders who came because Europe and USA wanted them
surely Europe and USA are stronger than us now
and they used that wrong way

 

[Mohamed]

People who deny the Holocaust are usually from some right wing group who are very antisemetic which is Racism which is a crime.

it was the biggest ever,and the second was the roman empire

 

[Revoltingest]

that's not islam

Au contraire.
Islam is what Muslims do.