A majority of Muslims in England are against free speech, according to a poll

[Tamar]

in fact arabs compromised for 60 year
we almost gave them the whole land and just took some parts but they still building in palastinian land,we are begging 1967 land from Israel,US,EU,and UN
but Israel and US still insist not to do
that will bring nothing but war in the future,espicially after arab revolutions

Today there were terrorist attacks against civilian targets that killed 8 Israelis and injured 25 others. This does not bring peace.

There are wrongs on both sides and in fact 60 years ago there were 2 states on the table which the Arabs turned down and declared war.

And in fact there have been other times that a 2 state solution was almost a reality but the Arabs walked away.

So war is what we have but it was not at the insistence of the Israelis but at the insistence of the Palestinian rulers.

Many want a 2 state solution but as long as there are wrongs on both sides it will never happen because neither side believes it has a peace partner.

That is the reality.

 

[JacobEzra.]

If you ask me, ordinary white folks get the short end of the stick too. I myself grew up in a rather mixed-race area of New York City. If there was ever a fight between a white kid and a black kid (or even several black kids), it would be the white guy who got in trouble and got a lecture for being a "racist," never mind that bullies come in all shapes, colors and sizes.

Eh I am in Phila. Right now Black kids are targeting random whites for mob beatings, and the police will not charge them with a hate crime.Be cause they never said anything racist.

But we all know if even two white guys beat up a black and they get caught, no matter if they didnt say anything racist, they will be in jail to rot on a hate charge

 

[Mohamed]

Today there were terrorist attacks against civilian targets that killed 8 Israelis and injured 25 others. This does not bring peace.

There are wrongs on both sides and in fact 60 years ago there were 2 states on the table which the Arabs turned down and declared war.

And in fact there have been other times that a 2 state solution was almost a reality but the Arabs walked away.

So war is what we have but it was not at the insistence of the Israelis but at the insistence of the Palestinian rulers.

Many want a 2 state solution but as long as there are wrongs on both sides it will never happen because neither side believes it has a peace partner.

That is the reality.

let's see how it wa

arab leaders Mubarak,Abdullah (jordan),Abdullah (Saudia),Assad,Abbas


all of them would have accepted any 2 state solution,but Israel thought that everything is ok,and that it loses nothing staying without peace,just some kid's rockets makes nothing,so it decided to stall endless time,nobody expected arab revolution

i expected Israel would accept 67 borders after revolution,but it didn't
so no solution is coming,and time passing pushes towards war,maybe ww3

 

[Mazdak]

Eh I am in Phila. Right now Black kids are targeting random whites for mob beatings, and the police will not charge them with a hate crime.Be cause they never said anything racist.

But we all know if even two white guys beat up a black and they get caught, no matter if they didnt say anything racist, they will be in jail to rot on a hate charge

Speaking of Philadelphia - have you heard about how local authorities are giving the Asians the heave-ho when it comes to black crime against them?

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Judge is soft on Black on Asian hate crimes - YouTube

 

[JacobEzra.]

Not a surprise.

 

[jarofthoughts]

weren't they?!!
you really don't see that Europe and USA fighted islam in all ways?!

I was asking for your examples of things you consider unfair, and seeing as I am much more familiar with Europe in general, and Scandinavia in particular, than I am of the US, it would be of benefit if your examples related to those areas.
What I am, in essence, trying to figure out is whether the things you consider unfair really are unfair, or if they perhaps are a result of differing cultures and ideas of right and wrong.

 

[England my lionheart]

it was the biggest ever,and the second was the roman empire

Think again,it is of little consequence anyway as like the British Empire the Ummah is no more,Islam is a faith not a physical Empire and hasn't been for hundreds of years so why try to revive something that was succesful 1400 years ago and expect it to relive its glory days in the present,this IMO will never happen.

 

[England my lionheart]

no,i were to name coyntries if they were dealed unfairly as countries
but surely they were dealed unfairly because they are important to islam

i can talk alot and show how much islam was dealed unfairly
but the ward (Palastine) is enough

The word Palestine is enough if you really know your history,the word Palestine is synominous with Islamism imported from Egypt,Al Banna,Qutb and the Muslim Brotherhood,six wars and a couple of Infitadas and nobody in Palestine knows who their true enemy is,Palestine has been used and abused for so long,80+ years and they still tread the same unsuccesful path.

 

[JacobEzra.]

The word Palestine is enough if you really know your history,the word Palestine is synominous with Islamism

Really?

I thought the word Palestine was given to the land way before Islam even came into existence

 

[England my lionheart]

Really?

I thought the word Palestine was given to the land way before Islam even came into existence

True the Romans gave it that name but it only became an issue with the rise of Islamism.

 

[England my lionheart]

i find that too,but Israel pushes them towards facing
while they are not able to face them
and for sorrow,i don't really think that it would differ much if Hamas wasn't there

Really,you think that a Party that has sworn to destroy Israel and vowed it will never be at peace with Israel would not benefit any peace effort if it wasn't there.

anyway things are going to change next years i think

For good or bad,a lot depends which way Egypt goes in deciding if it wants a Theocracy or it actually wants to move on IMO.

 

[waitasec]

For good or bad,a lot depends which way Egypt goes in deciding if it wants a Theocracy or it actually wants to move on IMO.

very true...

 

[Mohamed]

Think again,it is of little consequence anyway as like the British Empire the Ummah is no more,Islam is a faith not a physical Empire and hasn't been for hundreds of years so why try to revive something that was succesful 1400 years ago and expect it to relive its glory days in the present,this IMO will never happen.

i was just talking that who established such Empire can't be like what these drawings shows.and by the way IMO it will happen for sure that arabs will unite and that means islam will return one peace again

 

[Mohamed]

Think again,it is of little consequence anyway as like the British Empire the Ummah is no more,Islam is a faith not a physical Empire and hasn't been for hundreds of years so why try to revive something that was succesful 1400 years ago and expect it to relive its glory days in the present,this IMO will never happen.

i was just talking that who established such Empire can't be like what these drawings shows.and by the way IMO it will happen for sure that arabs will unite and that means islam will return one peace again

 

[Mohamed]

The word Palestine is enough if you really know your history,the word Palestine is synominous with Islamism imported from Egypt,Al Banna,Qutb and the Muslim Brotherhood,six wars and a couple of Infitadas and nobody in Palestine knows who their true enemy is,Palestine has been used and abused for so long,80+ years and they still tread the same unsuccesful path.

really?!!!
what a strange analysis
the word Palastine revealed when islamists rised,but not when israel was established??!!!!
islamists are bad guys because they abuse Palastine case?,should they just neglect it or what?!!

palastinians don't know thier enimies??!!! really?!
who could it be??
and what's wrong about Banna,Qutb,MB,six hours war???
it's all egyptian issues,the palastine case is clear don't muddle it

 

[Mohamed]

The word Palestine is enough if you really know your history,the word Palestine is synominous with Islamism imported from Egypt,Al Banna,Qutb and the Muslim Brotherhood,six wars and a couple of Infitadas and nobody in Palestine knows who their true enemy is,Palestine has been used and abused for so long,80+ years and they still tread the same unsuccesful path.

what is the succeful path then?
you know,you are true
What's taken by force can only be restored by force

 

[Mohamed]

For good or bad,a lot depends which way Egypt goes in deciding if it wants a Theocracy or it actually wants to move on IMO.

Mubarak's regieme wasn't theocratic as i think
why wasn't the case solved then?!!!!!!!


by the way,nobody calls for theocratic country in Egypt,niether MB
in fact MB is one of the most democratic,liberal country in Egypt
just anything connected to Islam must be wrong,and should be attacked
that's what i was saying on my previous posts

 

[Mohamed]

I was asking for your examples of things you consider unfair, and seeing as I am much more familiar with Europe in general, and Scandinavia in particular, than I am of the US, it would be of benefit if your examples related to those areas.
What I am, in essence, trying to figure out is whether the things you consider unfair really are unfair, or if they perhaps are a result of differing cultures and ideas of right and wrong.

ok,what about Bosnia?!!
what about Europian jews when Europe sent them on ships to settle in Palastine??
and Britain who gave them what it doesn't own?
what about France in Algeria,one million person killed?
it's very long list...

even long time before that
what about Andalus (Spain now) where muslims were cleansed,after we made it the best place on the earth?

 

[England my lionheart]

i was just talking that who established such Empire can't be like what these drawings shows.and by the way IMO it will happen for sure that arabs will unite and that means islam will return one peace again

Personally i think Muhammed was a great person for his time but threatening to cut someones head off because you don't like what they say isn't acceptable now,it may have been once though,who wants to go back to that.

I hope they unite for the right reason,i hope more people are able to criticise and question without going to Prison like Kareem Amer.

 

[Mohamed]

but threatening to cut someones head off because you don't like what they say isn't acceptable now,it may have been once though,who wants to go back to that.

what is that??!!!!!

I hope they unite for the right reason,i hope more people are able to criticise and question without going to Prison like Kareem Amer.

who is Kareem Amer,and in fact in Egypt we have much more freedom of speech than any other place now,we made a revolution and you are talking about critisism?!!!!!