A New Dark Age For Europe

[ChristineM]

How can criticising an ideology cause harm to others?

Free speech should be a given in a free society. There should be no authoritarian censorship or self-censorship.

You can say what you want about my beliefs and I would care not one jot.

Free speech comes with responsibility, the idea and the law in the uk is that free speech is not hate speech.

Yes we now you dont care what people think of your outrageous beliefs.

 

[Samantha Rinne]

Free speech does come with responsibility. Free speech includes hate speech, or it cannot be called free though. The same is true of anything under duress. If you're loyal until someone says or does something, then nope not anymore, then you were never loyal in the first place. If speech is free until you say something that puts someone down, it wasn't free.

If you speak wrongly, the punishment should never be arrest (or censorship), but having to deal with consequences of your free speech with the person your criticized.

It's the George Bailey rule. As you remember from It's a Wonderful Life, George in one scene snaps and curses out a teacher. The teacher's husband beats him up. This is exactly how things should operate in a society of free speech.

 

[sooda]

Are any of these so-called right wing extremist and xenophobes calling for the removal of the right to free speech?

It is those that are that we should be fearful of.

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[Kangaroo Feathers]

Uhhhhhh, that's not actually true.

The US has freedom of speech. It is restricted in some incidents (can't libel, slander, or get people to gather for a riot), but you won't get arrested if you annoy someone.

For one, this sort of speech does not ultimately have to be responded to, meaning you are proposing that being an idiot is a crime, and blaming the victim. For another, if you do get your house firebombed, arresting you for it, rather than arresting someone for oh I dunno firebombing your house is arresting the wrong person. The person doing all that is committing a crime, but here you're punishing speech.

Let's assume what you're saying, but for something different. I go online hoping to date. Go to, I dunno eHarmony. Instead, I meet a serial rapist. "Well because of what you said online, you deserve it!" Yeah, that's what this is implying. That somehow you should be not only firebombed and harassed but also arrested for speaking up. How about, how dare you. No.

Incitement to violence isn't protected free speech, even in America. Incitement to violence isn't "annoying someone".

 

[2ndpillar]

Any sacrifice to idols was, therefore, meaningless. The meat sacrificed to non-existent gods was just food and nothing more. So the enlightened Christians at Corinth believed they could attend a feast in a pagan temple safe in the knowledge that pagan gods did not exist, that the sacrifice was meaningless and the food served up was just food.

Sacrificing to gods/demons was meaningless to Paul, but according to the message given to Paul, per Paul's assumed associate Luke, if Luke indeed wrote Acts, one was not to eat things sacrificed to gods/idols/demons. Now if Paul claims he received license from James, and he denies James to be in a position to give license, then Paul should be pulled over and given a ticket for driving without a license. You can't have your cake and eat it too. As for pagan gods not existing, that kind of flies in the face of Revelation 13:4, whereas the god of Rome, the dragon/devil, the sun god, is the source of the authority of Rome/beast. Also, it is the demon spirit of the devil/dragon of Revelation 16:13-16 which is to gather the nations to Har-Magedon. If there is no demon spirit of the dragon/devil, how can you have Har-Magedon? (Revelation 16:13). You had best stay with eating locusts which have not been sacrificed to the gods.

 

[sooda]

Sacrificing to gods/demons was meaningless to Paul, but according to the message given to Paul, per Paul's assumed associate Luke, if Luke indeed wrote Acts, one was not to eat things sacrificed to gods/idols/demons. Now if Paul claims he received license from James, and he denies James to be in a position to give license, then Paul should be pulled over and given a ticket for driving without a license. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

As for pagan gods not existing, that kind of flies in the face of Revelation 13:4, whereas the god of Rome, the dragon/devil, the sun god, is the source of the authority of Rome/beast.

Also, it is the demon spirit of the devil/dragon of Revelation 16:13-16 which is to gather the nations to Har-Magedon. If there is no demon spirit of the dragon/devil, how can you have Har-Magedon? (Revelation 16:13). You had best stay with eating locusts which have not been sacrificed to the gods.

The Beast is the Roman Emperor.. and he was human.. He wasn't a demon.

As for 16:13.. the kings of the east, Sohaemus and Antiochus, crossed the Euphrates to meet the other Roman forces near Mt. Megiddo (Armageddon) as indicated in Revelation 16:12 and 16.

During this time a great thunderstorm and earthquake simultaneously rocked Jerusalem while both Rome and Jerusalem were divided by separate and concurrent three-way civil wars.

 

[Faithofchristian]

What did Jesus say about Muslims in Revelation?

Jesus had a lot to say, about the Muslims in his book of Revelation, and it's not good

 

[Faithofchristian]

Ummm Islam was not at the same time as jesus. so how could he make critique of a belief that not was told? Isam arise 600 years after Jesus

Seeing Jesus is God, and God gave prophecy what is to come down in the future, That's how Jesus knows.

But it's plain to see, that you have no clue or idea who Jesus is and how Jesus can be the Almighty God.

 

[Spirit of Light]

Seeing Jesus is God, and God gave prophecy what is to come down in the future, That's how Jesus knows.

But it's plain to see, that you have no clue or idea who Jesus is and how Jesus can be the Almighty God.

Do you think Jesus would discriminate someone who will be born in the future? I do not think so.
Jesus had abilities to see and to know yes, but he also knew that to tell something to his followers that would not help them enlightn to the truth would not be wise.

 

[sooda]

Jesus had a lot to say, about the Muslims in his book of Revelation, and it's not good

You're inventing connections that aren't there. Revelation says NOTHING about Islam or Muslims. You do know that the letter was written to 7 real churches in real time.. in the first century.

Its a terrible thing you're doing with this grotesque futurism.

Revelations is a symbolic book, you might be able to persuade yourself of nearly any meaning of the symbols... especially if you refuse to study the history of the first century.

The likelihood of Muslims being mentioned in Revelations, however, is very slight, as Islam did not come into existence for another 500 years.

 

[Faithofchristian]

The Beast is the Roman Emperor.. and he was human.. He wasn't a demon.

As for 16:13.. the kings of the east, Sohaemus and Antiochus, crossed the Euphrates to meet the other Roman forces near Mt. Megiddo (Armageddon) as indicated in Revelation 16:12 and 16.

During this time a great thunderstorm and earthquake simultaneously rocked Jerusalem while both Rome and Jerusalem were divided by separate and concurrent three-way civil wars.

As to how do you come by all of that,
When God himself foretold in the book of Revelation, who those beast are.

Have you any idea what the Euphrates river represents in the book of Revelation.
Christ Jesus foretold what the Euphrates river represents.

As for Revelation 16:12,16,
Have you any idea what the sixth angel that poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates represents.Revelation 16:12
Christ Jesus foretold all about in his book of Revelation.
But guess you would rather listing to man's teachings than what Christ Jesus teaches in his book of Revelation.

Do you understand when that battle
Ar- ma- ged - don, takes place.
In Revelation 16:16?

It seems that you give alot, that does not line up to what Christ Jesus given in his book of Revelation.

 

[Faithofchristian]

Do you think Jesus would discriminate someone who will be born in the future? I do not think so.
Jesus had abilities to see and to know yes, but he also knew that to tell something to his followers that would not help them enlightn to the truth would not be wise.

Just because you do think so, Doesn't mean anything it will not happen according to the prophecy that Christ Jesus given in his book of Revelation.
It will happen, to bring the prophecy to it's fulfillment

 

[Spirit of Light]

Just because you do think so, Doesn't mean anything it will not happen according to the prophecy that Christ Jesus given in his book of Revelation.
It will happen, to bring the prophecy to it's fulfillment

Can i ask if you read anything else of the bible? or do you only read Revelation?

 

[Faithofchristian]

You're inventing connections that aren't there. Revelation says NOTHING about Islam or Muslims. You do know that the letter was written to 7 real churches in real time.. in the first century.

Its a terrible thing you're doing with this grotesque futurism.

Revelations is a symbolic book, you might be able to persuade yourself of nearly any meaning of the symbols... especially if you refuse to study the history of the first century.

The likelihood of Muslims being mentioned in Revelations, however, is very slight, as Islam did not come into existence for another 500 years.

They are there, Just because you have no understanding or knowledge about the book of Revelation doesn't mean their not there.
Seeing how Jesus can and does give prophecy about future events before they happen throughout his word.

 

[sooda]

As to how do you come by all of that,
When God himself foretold in the book of Revelation, who those beast are.

Have you any idea what the Euphrates river represents in the book of Revelation.
Christ Jesus foretold what the Euphrates river represents.

As for Revelation 16:12,16,
Have you any idea what the sixth angel that poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates represents.Revelation 16:12
Christ Jesus foretold all about in his book of Revelation.
But guess you would rather listing to man's teachings than what Christ Jesus teaches in his book of Revelation.

Do you understand when that battle
Ar- ma- ged - don, takes place.
In Revelation 16:16?

It seems that you give alot, that does not line up to what Christ Jesus given in his book of Revelation.

The Euphrates River nearly dries up every year.. so that's nothing special, but the armies crossing the river already happened.

The kings of the East are Parthians (Iran-Persia)

When the Parthians invaded Palestine in 40 B.C.E., they arrested Hyrcanus II, a high priest and member of the Hasmonean family, and cut off his ears. The Parthians then carried him back to their empire in retreat from Roman troops.

 

[Faithofchristian]

The Euphrates River nearly dries up every year.. so that's nothing special, but the armies crossing the river already happened.

The kings of the East are Parthians (Iran-Persia)

When the Parthians invaded Palestine in 40 B.C.E., they arrested Hyrcanus II, a high priest and member of the Hasmonean family, and cut off his ears. The Parthians then carried him back to their empire in retreat from Roman troops.

You do know that the book of Revelation is future tents and not pass tents.

Everything in the book of Revelation is future and has nothing to do with the pass.

 

[shmogie]

Paul claims to speak for God, except where he stipulates that he is speaking his own mind, and is accepted by his followers as speaking for God. And Paul was accepted to carry a message, which he apparently lost, for he eats that which was sacrificed to demons, according to some unknown author of Acts, who might have been Luke, who witnessed nothing (Luke 1:1-3), and was supposedly an associate of Paul, who would be a source for Luke. If someone is their own witness, their witness is "not true" (John 5:31). As for the witness of the unknown author of 2 Peter 3, well, it is from an unknown author, who is playing at being Peter, who was the "worthless shepherd" of Zechariah 11:16-17, who would not care, feed, or fend the sheep, but who would "eave the flock" (Zechariah 11:17) & (Acts 15:7). Also the "worthless shepherd" was the 2nd "staff" taken to "pasture" the "flock doomed for slaughter" (Zechariah 11:7). It would be best to not be a member of that flock.

You, of course, are expressing opinions. Opinions that virtually no Christians share.

You do not understand the New Covenant nor the freedom of the Gospel.

I suggest that you actually look at the documented history regarding Paul and his letters, when they were circulated and most importantly, non canonical writings by immediate post Apostolic writers, especially Polycarp, who knew and studied with John. You will learn what John felt about Pauls letters.

You probably won´t, as you appear to want to substitute your own counsel for that of The Apostles and virtually all Biblical scholars.

 

[sealchan]

Ignoring the evidence will not make your life any better.

Nor will hand picking it to fit your personal fears.

Anecdotal videos dont tell the whole truth.

 

[Looncall]

Most "terrorist" groups are usually linked to the CIA and British intelligence, unsurprisingly. Just geopolitical coercion, slight of hand, ordo ab chao.

Sounds unlikely to me. But it does sound typical of Muslims whining about outsiders when they run into difficulties.

 

[sooda]

You do know that the book of Revelation is future tents and not pass tents.

Everything in the book of Revelation is future and has nothing to do with the pass.

Actually is not future tense.... but it is about their immediate past and immediate future. The letter makes is perfectly clear who the letter is written to and when it will happen.