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A question for all belivers

MilkyJoe

Member
Are you open minded enough to read Richard Dawkins 'The God Delusion'? Could you, given that you know at the outset that it sets out to show the paucity of reason/evidence behind all religions?

Or will you dismiss it without having evaluated the ideas put forward?
 

Willamena

Just me
Premium Member
MilkyJoe said:
Are you open minded enough to read Richard Dawkins 'The God Delusion'? Could you, given that you know at the outset that it sets out to show the paucity of reason/evidence behind all religions?

Or will you dismiss it without having evaluated the ideas put forward?
No, sorry. Given what I've heard of him, and the little I've read about him, I don't think I'll ever be that open minded.
 

Bishka

Veteran Member
MilkyJoe said:
Or will you dismiss it without having evaluated the ideas put forward?

I'm sure that it would be an interesting read, but I do not like Dawkins style. With his views, there is no room for anyone else. I'm not going to go out and buy it, because I don't see Dawkins as worth my time.
 

MilkyJoe

Member
Of course the time argument is a valid one. I have decided never to struggle with a book again as there are too many out there to get through to be struggling with one that I am not enjoying!

As for his style, I am not a huge fan, but he is thorough in giving the reasoning/evidence behind his ideas and is open minded enough to say that if anyone could present any decent evidence (beyond blind faith) for the God Hypothesis he would happily change his mind.
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
I would be interested in reading him to hear what all the fuss is about. If what I've heard about the way he says what he has to say is true, I don't imagine I would enjoy his tone, though. 'My way is the only way' doesn't make for delectible reading, whether it's coming from a theist, an agnostic or an atheist.
 

NonExistent

New Member
Feathers in Hair said:
I would be interested in reading him to hear what all the fuss is about. If what I've heard about the way he says what he has to say is true, I don't imagine I would enjoy his tone, though. 'My way is the only way' doesn't make for delectible reading, whether it's coming from a theist, an agnostic or an atheist.
It's probably more than just a 'My way is the only way' type of argument

I would say he is more sympathetic to organized religion than Sam Harris is. They both make good points to fundamentalism, but both of their goals are to basically eradicate religion outright.
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
MilkyJoe said:
Are you open minded enough to read Richard Dawkins 'The God Delusion'? Could you, given that you know at the outset that it sets out to show the paucity of reason/evidence behind all religions?

Or will you dismiss it without having evaluated the ideas put forward?

What's it about?
 

MilkyJoe

Member
How wrongly he has been represented then!!

I get no sense of 'my way is the only way' (though I have not yet finished the book).

His point is that we have the power to reason and evaluate and that religion does not stand up to reason and evaluation.

The faithful tell us that the Bible is 'The Word of God' but where is the evidence for that?

He asks some pretty searching questions that I would be interested to hear believers answer. (In the spirit of understanding of course!) :p
 

*Paul*

Jesus loves you
MilkyJoe said:
How wrongly he has been represented then!!

I get no sense of 'my way is the only way' (though I have not yet finished the book).

His point is that we have the power to reason and evaluate and that religion does not stand up to reason and evaluation.

The faithful tell us that the Bible is 'The Word of God' but where is the evidence for that?

He asks some pretty searching questions that I would be interested to hear believers answer. (In the spirit of understanding of course!) :p

I wouldn't buy it but if someone were to give me a copy i'd flick through it to see if i considered it worth reading.
 

Gentoo

The Feisty Penguin
I'd give it a fair chance, but whether or not I'd end up finishing it is another story.
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
MilkyJoe said:
Are you open minded enough to read Richard Dawkins 'The God Delusion'? Could you, given that you know at the outset that it sets out to show the paucity of reason/evidence behind all religions?

Or will you dismiss it without having evaluated the ideas put forward?

Gee, I guess the fact that I've actually read it would answer your question?
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
MilkyJoe said:
How wrongly he has been represented then!!

Quite possibly.

His point is that we have the power to reason and evaluate and that religion does not stand up to reason and evaluation.

In which I must compliment him, for he seeks to change us to his beliefs through persuasion and not force. That's laudable.

The faithful tell us that the Bible is 'The Word of God' but where is the evidence for that?

There really is a lot more to religion than Judaism and Christianity, you know.

Stick around for a while. It can be quite horizon-expanding even you don't find any reasons to subscibe to religious beliefs yourself.
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
I'm a believer and consider myself faithful. I would never say that the Bible is the "Word of God". If it is, it isn't of my goddess. Are you meaning only the faithful of a certain religion and not all theists?
 

Booko

Deviled Hen
Feathers in Hair said:
I'm a believer and consider myself faithful. I would never say that the Bible is the "Word of God". If it is, it isn't of my goddess. Are you meaning only the faithful of a certain religion and not all theists?
Is the point where I squawk "told you so"? :D

Or maybe you were reading *my* mind...since we posted simultaneously. Hm!
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
I'm not a believer, but I would read Dawkins. I am especially interested in whether he presents any arguments debunking the alarming notion that gnome gnapping is a socially acceptable spiritual path.
 

Feathers in Hair

World's Tallest Hobbit
Booko said:
Is the point where I squawk "told you so"? :D

Or maybe you were reading *my* mind...since we posted simultaneously. Hm!

Your mind would be a fun one to read! :hug: I imagine there's a lot going on in there!

Sunstone addresses an important factor- what is Dawkins' positon on the universal morality of gnome gnapping, and how it is practised by many faiths as a form of celebration. (And general rabble rousing, gnaturally.)
 

MilkyJoe

Member
Sadly Dr Dawkins does not go into detail on the question of Gnome Gnapping, but my mind is ever open so I would be interested to know more.

As for my flippant remark about 'the faithful' those who get to know me know I will throw stones in puddles to see what kind of ripples they make!
 
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