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A question for all religious believers -- why is your religion more true than any other?

Trailblazer

Veteran Member
As you know, I was going to Baha'i meetings and even went with Baha'is to some of their "mass teaching" events. I was taught that it is the true message from God for today. None of the other religions have this new information. That kind of makes the Baha'i faith better and truer, if not even superior to all the others... if what they claim is true. Why do you believe that the Baha'i Faith is not better, truer, or superior to the other religions? Especially, when another Baha'is gives us reasons to believe it is?
Bahais only believe we are a newer religion and the religion that contains the message, teachings and laws that humanity needs in the present age.
Baha'is do not think they are better, truer, or superior to the other religions, not if they read and understand what Baha'u'llah wrote:

"Beware, O believers in the Unity of God, lest ye be tempted to make any distinction between any of the Manifestations of His Cause, or to discriminate against the signs that have accompanied and proclaimed their Revelation. This indeed is the true meaning of Divine Unity, if ye be of them that apprehend and believe this truth. Be ye assured, moreover, that the works and acts of each and every one of these Manifestations of God, nay whatever pertaineth unto them, and whatsoever they may manifest in the future, are all ordained by God, and are a reflection of His Will and Purpose. Whoso maketh the slightest possible difference between their persons, their words, their messages, their acts and manners, hath indeed disbelieved in God, hath repudiated His signs, and betrayed the Cause of His Messengers.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, pp. 59-60
This is the Baha'i message I always heard. It's a message I disagree with. A new religion didn't always renew another. Maybe, for some, Buddhas teachings renewed what some Hindus believed. Then the Christian message renewed the beliefs of some Jews. But for many years, and maybe even centuries, most of the people in the world never heard of some of these religions. So, how could they renew anything?
Did the teachings of Krishna renew the teachings of Moses? Or vice a versa, depending on who Baha'is believe came first. Same with Christianity, how did it renew the teachings of the Buddha?
Apparently you have misconception about what the Baha'i Faith teaches. We do not teach that each successive religion renews the religion that was revealed before it. For example, Buddhism did not renew Hinduism, Christianity did not renew Judaism, and the Baha'i Faith did not renew Islam. Rather, what happens is that the religion of God, which is really only one religion that is revealed by Messengers who appear in different ages, is renewed over time. Whenever each religion has fulfilled its purpose, God sends a new Messenger to reveal a new religion.

“And now concerning thy question regarding the nature of religion. Know thou that they who are truly wise have likened the world unto the human temple. As the body of man needeth a garment to clothe it, so the body of mankind must needs be adorned with the mantle of justice and wisdom. Its robe is the Revelation vouchsafed unto it by God. Whenever this robe hath fulfilled its purpose, the Almighty will assuredly renew it. For every age requireth a fresh measure of the light of God. Every Divine Revelation hath been sent down in a manner that befitted the circumstances of the age in which it hath appeared.” Gleanings From the Writings of Bahá’u’lláh, p. 81
And with a religion like Christianity, when do Baha'is say was their spring and summer? And when do Baha'is believe that Christianity ever taught the real truth? They believe in hell and Satan... in the resurrection and that Jesus was God. All things that Baha'is say are not true. Yet, Christian spread this message as if it was the new truth from God.

And don't Baha'is believe their winter was already happening when Muhammad came? Since Baha'is believe he was the one that God sent to renew religion. But Christianity kept growing long after that. Then it renewed itself with the Protestant Reformation that went back to the basics of belief based on the teaching in their Scriptures. Which still included beliefs that Baha'is say are not true.
“All that lives, and this includes the religions, have springtime, a time of maturity, of harvest and wintertime. Then religion becomes barren, a lifeless adherence to the letter uninformed by the spirit, and man’s spiritual life declines. When we look at religious history, we see that God has spoken to men precisely at times when they have reached the nadir of their degradation and cultural decadence. Moses came to Israel when it was languishing under the Pharaoh’s yoke, Christ appeared at a time when the Jewish Faith had lost its power and culture of antiquity was in its death those. Muhammad came to a people who lived in barbaric ignorance at the lowest level of culture and into a world in which the former religions had strayed far away from their origins and nearly lost their identity. The Bab addressed Himself to a people who had irretrievably lost their former grandeur and who found themselves in a state of hopeless decadence. Baha’u’llah came to a humanity which was approaching the most critical phase of its history.”
(Udo Schaefer, The Light Shineth in Darkness, p. 24)

The springtime for Christianity is when Jesus walked the earth and for a few centuries after that. Christianity reached its peak of summer after the gospel message had been spread all over the world, by the mid-19th century. Christianity reached its maturity and harvest a long time ago, and now it is in its wintertime. The same can be said for Islam, although Islam is not in late winter but rather still in fall.

The growth rates of religions is a rough guide to what season a religion is in.

The growth rates of the Abrahamic religions from 1910-2010 were as follows: Judaism .11%, Christianity 1.32%, Islam 1.97%, and Baha’i Faith 3.54%.

From 2000-2010 Islam became the fastest growing religion (1.86 %) and the Baha’i Faith was the second fastest growing religion (1.72%). Christianity is trailing behind at 1.31%.

Statistics from: Growth of religion - Wikipedia

The growth rates of the Baha’i Faith were higher than Islam from 1910 to 2010 because it includes the “formative age” of the Baha’i Faith (1921-1944)FOURTH PERIOD: THE INCEPTION OF THE FORMATIVE AGE OF THE BAHÁ’Í FAITH 1921–1944

Growth of the Baha’i Faith has slowed down since 2000 because the new goal is consolidation and community building, so the emphasis is not spreading the Faith all over the world as it was before in the 20th century.
 
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Maninthemiddle

Active Member
I believe God in me, is love for people which is why I speak the truth to those who will hear it.
God may exist, but you cannot speak for him as the only truth is you don’t know what his truth is.
All you have are the so called truths presented in Books that were written by Men claiming its Gods word.
The truth is it cannot be proven, things added to the Book, things taken away surely if its Gods word men would not take entire chapters out.
 
It does seem to me that all of the religious people I know accept that their creed, their religion's essential beliefs, are correct, while all others -- because they obviously don't agree with the central tenets of their sect, must be somehow lacking.

As a non-believer in any religion, I am curious how it is, what evidence, what logic, leads you to suppose that your particular religion/denomination/sect got it right, while the others did not.

This thread is meant to be a great opportunity for believers of all kinds to engage -- to write apologetics in defense of their beliefs. I'm hoping to see significant essays!

My wife’s religion has been fighting against slavery for 500 years.

I’ve been told that it is philosophy that allows us to be more open minded about slavery, but if philosophy says that, then philosophy is an ***.

IMNSHO
 
If I were a theist of some stripe, I would see this as trying to pick a fight since it's posted in a debate forum. I guess we'll see who's up for one.

I’ve been told that my wife’s identity is up for debate by westerners who want to impose their own religion on her.

In western cultures, the identities of non-western cultures are up for debate with western cultures making the rules of that debate.
 
Or, conversely, an example of a mildly voyeuristic trolling for contention.

I think it is a reasonable question.

My wife’s culture views itself as an objective observer and judge of western culture, since it is located at the center of the world, the Axis Mundi, where heaven meets earth and hell, and is therefore protected by International Law.

Some other religions represented here in this forum deny the existence of my wife’s religion, and instead take the side of the Spanish Inquisition, because they see their western culture as supreme, and the judge of all non-western cultures, in violation of International Law.

There are many similarities, here, and some differences, as well.
 
“To me, religions are like languages: no language is true or false; all languages are of human origin; each language reflects and shapes the civilization that speaks it; there are things you can say in one language that you cannot say as well in another; and the more languages you learn, the more nuanced your understanding of life. Judaism is my mother tongue yet in matters of the spirit I strive to be multilingual. In the end, however, the deepest language of the soul is silence.” - Rabbi Rami Shapiro

I’ve tried arguing this at the Democratic Underground a long time ago.

I got into big trouble with the newfangled atheists when somebody in the discussion noticed that my wife was Black in the photo of us in my avatar at the time.

Our photo together was deemed racist by some of the white posters, so I was alerted on and banned from the thread.

This argument is a difficult argument to make when your wife is Black.
 

JustGeorge

Imperfect
Staff member
Premium Member
I think it is a reasonable question.

My wife’s culture views itself as an objective observer and judge of western culture, since it is located at the center of the world, the Axis Mundi, where heaven meets earth and hell, and is therefore protected by International Law.

Some other religions represented here in this forum deny the existence of my wife’s religion, and instead take the side of the Spanish Inquisition, because they see their western culture as supreme, and the judge of all non-western cultures, in violation of International Law.

There are many similarities, here, and some differences, as well.
What is your wife's religion and culture?
 

stvdv

Veteran Member
It does seem to me that all of the religious people I know accept that their creed, their religion's essential beliefs, are correct, while all others -- because they obviously don't agree with the central tenets of their sect, must be somehow lacking

This thread is meant to be a great opportunity for believers of all kinds to engage -- to write apologetics in defense of their beliefs. I'm hoping to see significant essays
A question for all religious believers -- why is your religion more true than any other?

My Religion claims:
"All Religions have at its core Love, hence no Religion/Faith/Human is superior/inferior"

"nor are Humanism or Atheism (lack of God belief) superior/inferior"
 
What is your wife's religion and culture?

She comes from a 500 year old Catholic culture here in America.

Her ancestors were cimarrones, and were considered I-Words by the colonial state.

Her religion involves music, dance, and war, and is the subject of intense study by historiographers and anthropologists.

Here’s a mural that was recently unveiled honoring her culture and religion, with the artist explaining the various elements of her religion.

The top of the little mountain in the center of the mural is a magical mythological and geographical place, and is located at the very center of the world, the Axis Mundi, where heaven meets earth and hell.

Memoriandar con Adolfo Albán Achinte sobre un Canto a la Escuetería o "Los macheteros del Patía"​



Mural_Patia4.png


Mural_Patia2.png
 

JustGeorge

Imperfect
Staff member
Premium Member
As it happens, her municipality has the best hymn in the world, which isn’t surprising, considering the location.

El Mejor Himno Del Mundo Vídeo Oficial del Himno Al Patìa​


Himno del Patìa​


Himno al Patía cantado en la I.E.A. Capitán Bermúdez, de Patía​

You seem to have a very positive view of your wife's religion. :) That's a good thing! What is yours?
 

walt

Jesus is King & Mighty God Isa.9:6-7; Lk.1:32-33
I can fully explain the foundation of my beliefs, by only quoting scripture. I let the scripture speak for itself, so the scripture and the surrounding text, do all the explaining I need.

The scripture itself explains my belief. I don't need to add any extra words to explain anything!
 

loverofhumanity

We are all the leaves of one tree
Premium Member
It does seem to me that all of the religious people I know accept that their creed, their religion's essential beliefs, are correct, while all others -- because they obviously don't agree with the central tenets of their sect, must be somehow lacking.

As a non-believer in any religion, I am curious how it is, what evidence, what logic, leads you to suppose that your particular religion/denomination/sect got it right, while the others did not.

This thread is meant to be a great opportunity for believers of all kinds to engage -- to write apologetics in defense of their beliefs. I'm hoping to see significant essays!
All the religions have a common thread of truth I believe , so too is science true and every person has truth within them believer or not. Only we need to keep testing our beliefs in action whether our understanding leads to peace and harmony or prejudice and conflict. Only our actions can really test the truth or untruth of our beliefs and understandings. So we are daily continually learning.

So for example. The belief that our belief is the only way or superior, when put into practice causes disunity and the followers of one faith to scorn and shun the followers of another and has led to wars. So to me that is proof that that belief is not what was intended as love and unity is what the scriptures teach.
 

Muffled

Jesus in me
God may exist, but you cannot speak for him as the only truth is you don’t know what his truth is.
All you have are the so called truths presented in Books that were written by Men claiming its Gods word.
The truth is it cannot be proven, things added to the Book, things taken away surely if its Gods word men would not take entire chapters out.
I believe God speaks through me.
 
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