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A Question For Catholics
- Thread starter Norman
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Yes, she is a Saint and we may avail ourselves of the friendship of all the Saints. We believe in the Communion of Saints. Basically, just because a holy brother or sister in the Church has shuffled off their mortal coil, it doesn't mean they are unreachable. We ask them for help and to intercede to God on our behalf.
"The communion of saints (in Latin, communio sanctorum), when referred to persons, is the spiritual union of the members of the Christian Church, living and the dead, those on earth, in heaven, and, for those who believe in purgatory, those also who are in that state of purification.
They are all part of a single "mystical body", with Christ as the head, in which each member contributes to the good of all and shares in the welfare of all.
The word "sanctorum" in the phrase "communio sanctorum" can also be understood as referring not to holy persons, but to holy things, namely the blessings that the holy persons share with each other, including their faith, the sacraments and the other spiritual graces and gifts they have as Christians.[1][2]
Belief in the communion of saints is affirmed in the Apostles' Creed."
"The communion of saints (in Latin, communio sanctorum), when referred to persons, is the spiritual union of the members of the Christian Church, living and the dead, those on earth, in heaven, and, for those who believe in purgatory, those also who are in that state of purification.
They are all part of a single "mystical body", with Christ as the head, in which each member contributes to the good of all and shares in the welfare of all.
The word "sanctorum" in the phrase "communio sanctorum" can also be understood as referring not to holy persons, but to holy things, namely the blessings that the holy persons share with each other, including their faith, the sacraments and the other spiritual graces and gifts they have as Christians.[1][2]
Belief in the communion of saints is affirmed in the Apostles' Creed."
No.
Some people find it useful to pray using a feminine image as a focus. But I was taught, in no uncertain terms, to distinguish between reverence and worship. Praying to God through Mary is not the same as praying to Mary. The difference is important. It was considered important to teach it because in past centuries the difference wasn't made clear and resulted in errors.
Tom
No. We ask her to pray for us, the same way you might ask your friends or your church community to pray for you. She is Panagia, all-holy. Jesus' first recorded miracle (turning water into wine at the Wedding of Cana) was done at Mary's request--this shows how much Jesus listens to His mother.
Norman
Defender of Truth
Norman: Hi Saint Frankenstein, Thank you so much for your answer, very informative.
Norman
Defender of Truth
You're welcome.Norman: Hi Saint Frankenstein, Thank you so much for your answer, very informative.
As for Mary in particular, she is viewed as the greatest of all Saints because of her status as the Mother of God. That's why she is especially venerated.
Norman
Defender of Truth
TheInfiniteLight
Member
Catholics pray to Mary, not through worship but reverence. You see she it truly the one that gave Jesus life. We adore her for the gift that she brings. Simple as that.
Mitch M
Member
Yes - Catholics Pray to Mary . The Pope Speaks to Huge Crowds of Catholics and Commands them to PRAY To MARY,
it is also a fact, that Catholics also declare that Mary is visiting Prophecy, Visions and Wisdom to Muslims./ Islam. it seems that - She is not very interested in telling them that Jesus Died for their Sins or that He is the Son of God. They don't seem to be getting any messages from Mary, about This. The Mary of Islam Is telling Muslims that Islam is Great and that Christianity is Evil.
There are Muslims and Catholics who Pray to Mary together.
it Just don't make any sense to me - How Can Mary have an important and Role in Islam, if She is PREACHING Islam. in the Quran and in Islam Today. The Mary of islam, has NEVER, NEVER spoken to any Muslims about Jesus being the Son of God and catholics know this, Yet CATHOLICS continue to SPREAD the Faith of Mohammud and the Quran. Mohammud is A prophet and revelator to Roman Catholics, *( Concerning this And many, other CATHOLISLAMIC Faiths, )
But Muslims are claiming to have seen visions of Mary and have received Messages and Confirmation of their Islamic Faith. The Catholic Church Promotes and condones and Pushes this ideology. And Message. I am so sad to see Catholics behave this way.
Even the pope. The Pope Kissed the Koran that accuses Christians and the bible message as - worshipping Mary as the third member of the Trinity.
it is also a fact, that Catholics also declare that Mary is visiting Prophecy, Visions and Wisdom to Muslims./ Islam. it seems that - She is not very interested in telling them that Jesus Died for their Sins or that He is the Son of God. They don't seem to be getting any messages from Mary, about This. The Mary of Islam Is telling Muslims that Islam is Great and that Christianity is Evil.
There are Muslims and Catholics who Pray to Mary together.
it Just don't make any sense to me - How Can Mary have an important and Role in Islam, if She is PREACHING Islam. in the Quran and in Islam Today. The Mary of islam, has NEVER, NEVER spoken to any Muslims about Jesus being the Son of God and catholics know this, Yet CATHOLICS continue to SPREAD the Faith of Mohammud and the Quran. Mohammud is A prophet and revelator to Roman Catholics, *( Concerning this And many, other CATHOLISLAMIC Faiths, )
But Muslims are claiming to have seen visions of Mary and have received Messages and Confirmation of their Islamic Faith. The Catholic Church Promotes and condones and Pushes this ideology. And Message. I am so sad to see Catholics behave this way.
Even the pope. The Pope Kissed the Koran that accuses Christians and the bible message as - worshipping Mary as the third member of the Trinity.
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Have you ever asked someone to pray for you? Or have heard someone else do so? That is the sum total of the Mary mystery in the Catholic faith. lol Catholics don't worship or pray to Mary. They ask her to pray for them. The Rosary is exactly that.
The Catholic Church is in need of some reform, but...let's not make up things that are not true about the faith.
Mitch M
Member
Even Though the Pope Speaks before Thousands of Catholics and Commands / demands they continue to Pray to Mary.
Catholics still cross my path who claim that the Catholic Church does not PRAY to Mary. If The Pope and His Crowds are praying to Mary, And the Pope Commands that they continue to Pray to Mary. - How can You continue to type and post messages that claim that catholics *( DO NOT PRAY TO MARY. )
.,POPE BENEDICT. HAS SET THE FACTS STRAIGHT - ..."POPE BENEDICT.. Declared . - Let us pray to Mary Queen of Peace," said Benedict, "that she may implore from God the fundamental gift of harmony
pope Francis. The Current Pope also Commands and Demands that You Pray to Mary,
Catholics do Pray to Mary.
http://www.understandthetimes.org/alerts/june1706.shtml
& http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n..._to_pray_for_marys_intercession_in_holy_land/
& http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/recentpopesayings.html
Catholics still cross my path who claim that the Catholic Church does not PRAY to Mary. If The Pope and His Crowds are praying to Mary, And the Pope Commands that they continue to Pray to Mary. - How can You continue to type and post messages that claim that catholics *( DO NOT PRAY TO MARY. )
.,POPE BENEDICT. HAS SET THE FACTS STRAIGHT - ..."POPE BENEDICT.. Declared . - Let us pray to Mary Queen of Peace," said Benedict, "that she may implore from God the fundamental gift of harmony
pope Francis. The Current Pope also Commands and Demands that You Pray to Mary,
Catholics do Pray to Mary.
http://www.understandthetimes.org/alerts/june1706.shtml
& http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/n..._to_pray_for_marys_intercession_in_holy_land/
& http://campus.udayton.edu/mary/recentpopesayings.html
If by "pray" you mean "ask", then sure, we "pray to" Mary, and ask that she pray to God for us, just like how I would ask my family or my fellow parishioners to pray for me.
Mary is not worshipped in Catholicism, nor do we think she is divine, nor do we think she is God, nor has any Catholic ever said anything to this effect. If they have, then they are in grave contradiction with Catholic teaching that only God is to be worshipped.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/pray
Full Definition of PRAY
transitive verb
1: entreat, implore —often used as a function word in introducing a question, request, or plea <pray be careful>
2: to get or bring by praying
intransitive verb
1: to make a request in a humble manner
Forever_Catholic
Active Member
I don't think you are really serious, but just in case you are honestly this misinformed, Saint Mary’s appearance to Muslims is about drawing them to Christ. She has never told anyone that Islam is great or that Christianity is evil, and she never will.
Mary does not preach Islam -- Muslims do that. She has no role in Islam by participation in it, whether she's mentioned in the Koran or not. Mary's role is to function on behalf of her Son, and her active participation is within the one and only Church that He established.
Catholics spread the teachings of Jesus Christ. They do not spread the faith of Muhammad and the Koran, and Muhammad cannot reveal anything to a Christian. He was an illiterate man with only a rudimentary understanding of Judaism and Christianity. He is not a prophet because his revelations did not come from God. Muhammad was deceived by Satan. He even said he suspected that the spirit who spoke to him was evil.
Like your previous statements, both of these are incorrect.
This is where you make it most obvious where you're coming from.
The Pope was trying, in his non-conventional, liberal, and annoyingly controversial manner, to appease Muslims; trying to make the point that they and Christians both worship the same God. Except that Muslims don't know God for who He is, which is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. And too bad Pope Francis left out the part about Islam working against God’s will instead of uniting with it.
Not sure why you threw in Mary being worshiped or being a person of the Trinity, because I don't think Muslims are known for saying things like that. Sounds more like Protestant Christian talk.
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member
I guess I'll answer since Im still Catholic and will always be.
When I practiced, I prayed to Mary to know Her Son. I prayed to her to ask her blessings from God. I prayed to her because she is Jesus' Mother. I prayed to her for "women" understanding of the christian faith as many Catholics also gravitate to "Saints" they have in common.
We pray to Mary For God's blessings.
We pray to the Jesus for our salvation
We pray to the Father to be in union with Him (trinity)
That is the Catholic faith. Prayer does not equal worship.
Catholics only worship God.
If you want to know more from the Catechism and Bible, create a thread in religious or comparative religion.
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Norman
Defender of Truth
I guess I'll answer since Im still Catholic and will always be.
When I practiced, I prayed to Mary to know Her Son. I prayed to her to ask her blessings from God. I prayed to her because she is Jesus' Mother. I prayed to her for "women" understanding of the christian faith as many Catholics also gravitate to "Saints" they have in common.
We pray to Mary For God's blessings.
We pray to the Jesus for our salvation
We pray to the Father to be in union with Him (trinity)
That is the Catholic faith. Prayer does not equal worship.
Catholics only worship God.
If you want to know more from the Catechism and Bible, create a thread in religious or comparative religion.
Norman: Hi Carlita, I started this thread back in the beginning of April. I have been finished since then. I am in a Catholic DIR where I asked a question and I did that. I am not looking to
to do that about Catechism and the Bible. My question was simple in my OP. Sorry I have no further interest in discussing this. Thank you
Unveiled Artist
Veteran Member