rosends
Well-Known Member
you want the online talmud? I can give you a site that has point by point summaries but doesn't have it line by line (the site that has it line by line doesn't have the whole talmud).
www.dafyomi.co.il
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A question for Jews,Chrisians, and Muslims
- Thread starter James Field
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www.dafyomi.co.il
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
One of those sites you listed is comeandhear.com. Do you know what what kind of site comeandhear.com is? Did you check it out before you referred someone to it whose English language skills are weak, and whose knowledge of Jews and Judaism is not great?
When you get a chance, explore the website, although the feathers are out of the pillow.
By the way, neither site you gave has a complete text. A better recommendation would have been Halakhah.com Babylonian Talmud Online in English
Moishe3rd
Yehudi
No. I didn't check it out. It seemed accurate.
Christian site?
Doesn't read like a hate site though. Is it?
rosends
Well-Known Member
Come and Hear used to state its agenda as exposing problematic aspects of the Talmud. The footnotes highlighted certain ideas and presented particular interpretations. I don't know if this is still the case as I haven't used it recently.
RabbiO
הרב יונה בן זכריה
Then you didn't look carefully enough.
The site proclaims that - "Come and Hear™ is proud to present the full text of The Jewish Religion: Its Influence Today,"
So, what does the author, Elizabeth Dilling, have to say in the book. Well, here is one tidbit from Chapter 1 to give you the flavor -
Why is the Talmud kept so unknown to non-Jews? Why was there no usable English translation of the Talmud until the Soncino Edition, 1934-48? Why, in European history, when the laws of the Talmud became commonly known, was it burned over and over by order of the Popes, excoriated by Martin Luther, denounced everywhere, and its followers exiled from one country after another down through the centuries?
The Talmud's basic law is that only the Pharisee Jew ranks as a man, or human being. All others rank as animals, "the people who are like an *** — slaves who are considered the property of the master." The attitude resulting from such teachings has been resented by non-Jews in all countries and centuries. Such resentment, however, is always portrayed by Jews as "persecution of the Jews."
Need I say more? Yes.
Carol A. Valentine, who runs Come and Hear, has another website - public-action.com. How about this goody about the plans of Jews, under the guidance of the Lubavitcher Hasidim, for the United States ?
Now comes hope. History has shown time and time again that the Jewish Supremacists overplay their hand. That is why, historically, the Jews have been expelled from one country after another.
I suspect they are overplaying their hand again. I suspect that if enough Americans, both Christians and non-Christian, discover the true plans of the Jews, the conquest may be thwarted. I believe it is possible to stop these tyrants.
With that I'll shut up.
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Moishe3rd
Yehudi
Ooops. I stand chagrined. Sorry about that. You are correct.
Moishe3rd
Yehudi
I never noticed the highlights. When I did not have a copy of a particular mesechta on hand, I would Google the idea I was looking for and sometimes this site would come up. As far as I knew from my studies, it was accurate so, I never investigated further.
Sorry about that. I stand corrected.
rosends
Well-Known Member
I understand. I still do use that site to find phrases or ideas but I do so being aware of the potential pitfalls (not the least of it is the clunky Soncino translation).
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
it was always in Gods plan to save 'mankind'
The promise was made to Abraham that through his seed or offspring, (that offspring being the Messiah) all nations would be saved by him.
Genesis 22:15 And Jehovah’s angel called to Abraham a second time from the heavens,16 saying: “‘By myself I swear,’ declares Jehovah,+ ‘that because you have done this and you have not withheld your son, your only one,+17 I will surely bless you and I will surely multiply your offspring...+18 And by means of your offspring*+ all nations of the earth will obtain a blessing for themselves because you have listened to my voice.’”
So God has been preparing to save the nations since Adam and Eve first rebelled and passed death onto all their offspring.
Selecting a nation to represent him was for the purpose of ensure the Messiah would be born into a relatively holy and clean nation free from defiled worship. Thats why God gave Israel the law code...they had to keep themselves in a clean state by means of that law until the Messiah would arrive.
Bas Monahan
New Member
I feel like you need to be more specific in your question since it kind of begs the question for anyone listening - How did He reach out as you understand it? Did He reach out in the same way that He did to His chosen people? Did He reach out with the same reason as He did with His chosen people? I use the word "chosen" with the same laden implication you might. I think the answers to my previous questions might help you better understand the answers you may hope to find.
When did God start reaching out the Jews?
Domenic
Active Member
Jews are from the tribe of Judah. It is where the term Jew comes from. There are 11 other tribes that make up Gods chosen people...these are not known as Jews. After the tribe of Judah rejected Jesus, Paul, who was not a Hebrew, was sent out to talk to non-Hebrews about Jesus, and the Good news. These non- Hebrews replaced the tribe of Judah.
But, there are two tribes of Judah...one is real, the other are false Jews. What a mess.
Kolibri
Well-Known Member
Paul was a Benjaminite (Php 3:5) The same verse also defines him as a Hebrew.
"circumcised the eighth day, of the nation of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew born from Hebrews;" - Philippians 3:5
Did you mistype or do you have evidence that Paul was lying about himself?
The designation "Hebrew" is first used for Abram (Abraham). This predates any of the tribes. (Genesis 14:13)
The two tribe kingdom of Judah was made up of primarily the tribes Judah and Benjamin. (2 Chronicles 25:5)
The other 10 tribes were known as the Kingdom of Israel starting with Jeroboam as the first king.
The first Bible writer to use the name Jews in direct reference to the people was Jeremiah. (2 Kings 16:6; 25:25)
After the exile from Babylon it applied to any Israelites returning to the promised land regardless of tribe. (Ezra 4:12; 6:7; Nehemiah 1:2; 5:17)
In the time of Esther "Jew" was a designation for all Hebrews throughout the world. (Esther 3:6; 9:20)
The Hebrew Scriptures themselves show how the term "Jew" morphed in designation over time. Still waiting for the reveal of your alternate scrolls (when you finish your prep work).
(Edit: Opps got threads mixed up. Last sentence is in reference to https://www.religiousforums.com/thr...ve-the-same-god-that-jesus-is-messiah.171898/)
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Domenic
Active Member
Yes, Saul of Tarsus was born a Jew, "circumcised on the eight day, of the race of Israel, or the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrew parentage, in observance of the law a Pharisee" (Phil 3:5). The Hebrew name given him by his parents was Saul, but, ), Saul also had the Latin name Paul (Acts 16:37, 22:25-28), the custom of dual names being common in those days. Since he grew up in a strict Pharisee environment, the name Saul was by far the more appropriate name to go by. But after his conversion Saul determined to bring the gospel to the Gentiles, so he dusted off his Roman name and became known as Paul, a name Gentiles were accustomed to because his father was a Roman citizen (and therefore Saul inherited Roman citizenship
He changed from being Hebrew, to being Christian...he presented himself as a Roman. This gave him more freedom to move about, and speak.
James Field
Member
Well I suppose I meant he reached out through his prophets everytime and when I say chosen people I mean how they took the covenant with Yahweh. From the responses I've got so far it seems
James Field
Member
It seems that it was always his intention to make himself known to more than just the Jewish people
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
Yes of course. And when you think about it, Abraham was not even jewish. Judaism did not get its start until the law of Moses was introduced which came over 400 years after God made the covenant with Abraham.
So we cant say that Abraham was a Jew. He was a gentile (of the nations) at that time.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Abraham is called the "father of Judaism" because it is he who professed the belief in one God, plus set in motion the movement that eventually became known as "Judaism" adhered to by a people whom became called "Jews". Since Abraham was told by God to have all sons circumcised on the 8th day after birth, and since this is the practice that is only a requirement found in Judaism, it's quite obvious that we have the right to claim him as our own.
Also, a reminder that if you call yourself a "Christian", that this name wasn't used at first by the disciples, so does that mean that "Christianity" is therefore bogus because of not having the original name? The name of God used by J.W.'s is not pronounced correctly, so does that mean you worship a false god?
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
He wasnt alone in worshiping Jehovah though. In reality, he was a descendant of Shem, so you could even call Shem your forefather.
Noah also was a servant and worshiper of Jehovah.... and he was never circumcised, yet he was Gods servant.
But i agree that Abraham was the beginning of the Jewish people as a nation which came to be through his son Isaac. Im just saying that he didnt personally practice 'Judaism' because it was not known to him as a religion back then.
There is a huge difference in that Abraham did not have a temple to offer up sacrifices, nor a priesthood, nor a requirement to observe passover or sabbath nor festivals to participate in. But Christianity has always been based on following Christs teachings even before they were called christians (which means followers of Christ) I dont think its a very good comparison.
With regard to Gods name, we cant' say it is or isnt being pronounced correctly because no one knows its actual pronunciation. It could very well be Jehovah. The real importance though is that its being pronounced at all and not being forgotten.