A Question For TheJedi

[Neo-Logic]

My body was contructed through the process of a sperm entering an egg, thus combining to create y unique genetic structure, and i started to grow. So my body is of the Living Force. My soul, a blank slab, was transferred to my body from the Unifying Force. And later on i grew my Personal Force (the "me" essentialy)

I am here, as a Grey Jedi, to serve the will of the Force, wherver it takes me. this is going to be extremeley hard, because i do not know the will of the Force, but through the tenets of Jediism i will follow the light.

when i die, the Personal Force is either erased or archived, i dont know, and the blank soul returns to the unifying force, while my body decomposes and returns to the living force.

This is a recent quote of you from another thread.

Okay, I have a serious question and I mean this with sincerity.

Are you really serious about your religion being ... the Grey Jedi? Are you serious about considering yourself as a Jedi or apart of the force? Of all the things i've heard about the different religions, this has to be the fakest sounding one to me. I could never tell if you were joking when you said what you said or were serious.

I've heard of some people being too much into the whole Star Wars theme ... but a religion? It's kind of sad. I mean this in the nicest way possible - I hope you were kidding, at least about the whole Jedi thing if not "the force" because I can at least see some spiritual or religious relations with this term.

Please explain so I don't get confused anymore ... thanks. :bounce

 

[mr.guy]

In a Canadian fovernment census a couple of years ago, i beleive some 11,000 people declared themselves "jedi". Most assumed that this was just a largely fasecious response en masse, but maybe these guys are really into it. Hate to burst their bubble and tell them about Taoism and Zen Buddhism.

P.S. when do you get your light saber?

 

[James the Persian]

In a Canadian fovernment census a couple of years ago, i beleive some 11,000 people declared themselves "jedi". Most assumed that this was just a largely fasecious response en masse, but maybe these guys are really into it. Hate to burst their bubble and tell them about Taoism and Zen Buddhism.

P.S. when do you get your light saber?

My brother is officially a Jedi, as far as the British census is concerned, but I happen to know very well that in actual fact he's an atheist. He's also a solicitor (lawyer) however, and he has strong views on what the government should or should not be allowed to ask people in a census. As such, his listing his religion as Jedi was a protest at the government asking religious affiliation questions at all. I wouldn't be surprised to find that there are a lot of 'Jedi's here that were trying to make a similar point, and mocking the census in the process.

James

 

[Ori]

This is a recent quote of you from another thread.

Okay, I have a serious question and I mean this with sincerity.

Are you really serious about your religion being ... the Grey Jedi? Are you serious about considering yourself as a Jedi or apart of the force? Of all the things i've heard about the different religions, this has to be the fakest sounding one to me. I could never tell if you were joking when you said what you said or were serious.

I've heard of some people being too much into the whole Star Wars theme ... but a religion? It's kind of sad. I mean this in the nicest way possible - I hope you were kidding, at least about the whole Jedi thing if not "the force" because I can at least see some spiritual or religious relations with this term.

Please explain so I don't get confused anymore ... thanks. :bounce

Well as long as one is happy, and that happiness doean't come from someone elses misery, whats the problem ?

 

[Neo-Logic]

Well as long as one is happy, and that happiness doean't come from someone elses misery, whats the problem ?

It's not a problem to me at all. I was more wondering if it was a mock/joke type of thing or something that was totally serious. I could care less but the person themselves should care more if they are hardcore considering themselves a Jedi. One could argue that both this "religion" and other religions are based on writings by people ... but Jediism is from a known fictional piece of writing. I can prove this - the author's name is George Lucus and he himself acknowledges it as a fictional piece. For people to be using this fictional piece as a serious religion seems crazy.

In the end it's not a problem for me, but more of a problem for the person's social life should they declare Jeddism as their religion... All i'm saying is good luck finding a date with the exception from those from the Star Wars convention.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Are you really serious about your religion being ... the Grey Jedi? Are you serious about considering yourself as a Jedi or apart of the force? Of all the things i've heard about the different religions, this has to be the fakest sounding one to me. I could never tell if you were joking when you said what you said or were serious.

I will say that the Jedi Religion is much like the Sohei Monks, who were basically warrior monks. Some other actual religions are the bases for Jediism.
I used to have the same opinion as you Neo-Logic, and then I read into Jediism abit, and found it's not a star wars geeks religion.

 

[Feathers in Hair]

Since Jediism is a mixture of several other 'established' religions, I hope you don't have any reason to think it's 'crazy'. If it speaks to the truth in a person's heart, it's just as valid as saying you're anything else. (Unless you try to claim that you're an actual Knight and have visited other planets on missions to aid peace... Then I'd start to worry, too.)

 

[michel]

This is a recent quote of you from another thread.

Okay, I have a serious question and I mean this with sincerity.

Are you really serious about your religion being ... the Grey Jedi? Are you serious about considering yourself as a Jedi or apart of the force? Of all the things i've heard about the different religions, this has to be the fakest sounding one to me. I could never tell if you were joking when you said what you said or were serious.

I've heard of some people being too much into the whole Star Wars theme ... but a religion? It's kind of sad. I mean this in the nicest way possible - I hope you were kidding, at least about the whole Jedi thing if not "the force" because I can at least see some spiritual or religious relations with this term.

Please explain so I don't get confused anymore ... thanks. :bounce

I only have one small phrase to say to you "a rose by any other name would still smell as sweet"

What does the name of any religion (appart from mine ) matter ? It isn't the tag that counts, it is the gift that comes with it.

 

[Mike182]

It's not a problem to me at all. I was more wondering if it was a mock/joke type of thing or something that was totally serious. I could care less but the person themselves should care more if they are hardcore considering themselves a Jedi. One could argue that both this "religion" and other religions are based on writings by people ... but Jediism is from a known fictional piece of writing. I can prove this - the author's name is George Lucus and he himself acknowledges it as a fictional piece. For people to be using this fictional piece as a serious religion seems crazy.

In the end it's not a problem for me, but more of a problem for the person's social life should they declare Jeddism as their religion... All i'm saying is good luck finding a date with the exception from those from the Star Wars convention.

i think there are probably two kinds of 'jedi'

the people who just love the films soo much they want to pretend to be a jedi, and those who seriously believe there to be a truth behind the theological concept of the force

i think first of all it is important to distinguish between "the force" and 'pretty man with glowing stick jumping around and stabbing things'

the force is an ultimate power of guidance, which holds and binds all living things together in a great chain of being - this can be a religion in itself, regardless of glowing sticks and acrobatics and mind powers



ps

i do not actaully know a lot about this, other than i saw the films

so i appologise to thejedi if i am completely wrong, but i really cannot help but think neo-logic has got the wrong end of the stick.

but jediism as a religion gives a person purpose, hope, enlightenment, and a moral code to abide by - what other justification does one need to follow and believe in it? to deny it validity as a faith is to deny all faiths, and although i accept you are an athiest neo-logic, you still have no place to deny others their faith

C_P

 

[michel]

Well said my friend; Fruballs to you.

 

[Mike182]

the matrix has a lot of theology and philosophy behind it - what is reality, is it the world around us, cogito ergo sum (i think, therefor i am)

but this started off as a cool story

it could be that with starwars, it started off as a fictional story, but snowballed into a strong and sufficient religion

C_P

 

[Feathers in Hair]

CP, I'm afraid I have to take issue with your assesment of the Star Wars films. It's not simply a 'pretty man with glowing stick jumping around and stabbing things'.

It's pretty men doing these things.

 

[michel]

oooooh I want a green:biglaugh: one!!!

 

[Mike182]

CP, I'm afraid I have to take issue with your assesment of the Star Wars films. It's not simply a 'pretty man with glowing stick jumping around and stabbing things'.

It's pretty men doing these things.

yes i know feathers, but my faith restricts me to one at a time :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

 

[Neo-Logic]

I only have one small phrase to say to you "a rose by any other name would till smell as sweet"

What does the name of any religion (appart from mine ) matter ? It isn't the tag that counts, it is the gift that comes with it.

a u guys make a lot of good points. It is true what you guys say. A religion by any other name would still have the "gifts" attached to it. If this is so, why not stick to those other similar religions that are already established and whose names people know more instead of making a new one out of a science fiction movie which can cause unneccessary confusion like it had me?

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

This is a recent quote of you from another thread.

Okay, I have a serious question and I mean this with sincerity.

Are you really serious about your religion being ... the Grey Jedi? Are you serious about considering yourself as a Jedi or apart of the force? Of all the things i've heard about the different religions, this has to be the fakest sounding one to me. I could never tell if you were joking when you said what you said or were serious.

I've heard of some people being too much into the whole Star Wars theme ... but a religion? It's kind of sad. I mean this in the nicest way possible - I hope you were kidding, at least about the whole Jedi thing if not "the force" because I can at least see some spiritual or religious relations with this term.

Please explain so I don't get confused anymore ... thanks. :bounce

I am dead serious, a**hole. And i am sick and tired of people giving me crap about it.

 

[Mike182]

a u guys make a lot of good points. It is true what you guys say. A religion by any other name would still have the "gifts" attached to it. If this is so, why not stick to those other similar religions that are already established and whose names people know more instead of making a new one out of a science fiction movie which can cause unneccessary confusion like it had me?

why become a conformist when your heart tells you stand out from the crowd?

C_P

 

[Neo-Logic]

why become a conformist when your heart tells you stand out from the crowd?

C_P

It's not conforming if what you believe in is elsewhere but with a different name ...

It's you sticking to the group you belong in so others do'nt get confused by new things that people create. We have names for a reason, what good is it if everyone renames things just for the fun of it?

If everyone called a computer for instance, a computer, we obviously know what they're talking about and thus less confusion. However, if I and many others call it computer and a couple others call it electronic box, for instance, it would not make much sense to the others of what it is.

So my point is the unneccessary confusion it creates.

 

[Neo-Logic]

but jediism as a religion gives a person purpose, hope, enlightenment, and a moral code to abide by - what other justification does one need to follow and believe in it? to deny it validity as a faith is to deny all faiths, and although i accept you are an athiest neo-logic, you still have no place to deny others their faith

C_P

To deny its validity as a faith is to deny all faiths, says you.

By this statement you must think all religions equal. Also by this statement you must think it's okay to believe in anything you want to believe in, and I agree.

So, lets say that I make up my own religion right now, call it neo-logism. I will "believe in it" with all my hearts and call it a religion. Obviously I just made it up right here and now and is fake. Yet if all religions are equal, and mine is a religion because I believe it so, would that not make all religions fake?

 

[The Black Whirlwind]

This is a recent quote of you from another thread.

Okay, I have a serious question and I mean this with sincerity.

Are you really serious about your religion being ... the Grey Jedi? Are you serious about considering yourself as a Jedi or apart of the force? Of all the things i've heard about the different religions, this has to be the fakest sounding one to me. I could never tell if you were joking when you said what you said or were serious.

I've heard of some people being too much into the whole Star Wars theme ... but a religion? It's kind of sad. I mean this in the nicest way possible - I hope you were kidding, at least about the whole Jedi thing if not "the force" because I can at least see some spiritual or religious relations with this term.

Please explain so I don't get confused anymore ... thanks. :bounce

i find atheism to be an extremeley pitiful and sad state to be in, but that never gives me the right to trash it, like you are doing to mine now. I have had to defend my religion many times (especially on RF), and i am sick of the ignorance. my religion has nothing to do with some ******* lightsabers or some stupid people wearing some stupid ******* robes. Its about morality, and the Force. It would take too long to explain to you, and i will not waste my time.