A Question for Trump Supporters

[Evangelicalhumanist]

This is a serious question, because I am truly interested, and often flabbergasted at the amount of support that the US President still has.

So, here's my question, and I direct it only to Trump supporters: "Do you actually spend any time listening to what he says, with your brain engaged to hear the meaning of his words?"

Here's a great example -- though it's long. This is his COVID-19 presser today, April 4. There are so many lies, there are so many false accusations against others, that I find it difficult to believe that nobody actually stands up and say, "The emperor has no clothes." Here's the link:

So, Trump supporters. Do you actually, really, critically listen? Or do you just worship?

 

[Father Heathen]

Incoming smug, snarky comments that dodge the question in 3, 2, 1...

 

[Revoltingest]

Incoming smug, snarky comments that dodge the question in 3, 2, 1...

The 2 of you have set up the thread to avoid any real discussion.
And my pointing this out fulfills your prediction.
Now I predict that one of the usual suspects will chortle at your triumph.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

The 2 of you have set up the thread to avoid any real discussion.
And my pointing this out fulfills your prediction.
Now I predict that one of the usual suspects will chortle at your triumph.

Okay, in what way have I set it up to "avoid any real discussion?" I'm willing to try to fix that, although I find the notion of listening to the entire thing again for the third time a bit daunting.

The question asked in the thread, however, is I think a valid one. For example, I've said before that I have never been a supporter of Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario. But I have listened carefully to what he has said -- and to be sure, he made some flubs early on. But through listening, I have been changing my attitude towards him, and now find myself supporting him in what he's trying to do during the present crisis. I am, in short, trying to be honest, trying to be fair, trying to LISTEN.

So tell me what you want, and if I can manufacture the time, I'll try to provide it.

 

[Revoltingest]

Okay, in what way have I set it up to "avoid any real discussion?" I'm willing to try to fix that, although I find the notion of listening to the entire thing again for the third time a bit daunting.

The question asked in the thread, however, is I think a valid one. For example, I've said before that I have never been a supporter of Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario. But I have listened carefully to what he has said -- and to be sure, he made some flubs early on. But through listening, I have been changing my attitude towards him, and now find myself supporting him in what he's trying to do during the present crisis. I am, in short, trying to be honest, trying to be fair, trying to LISTEN.

So tell me what you want, and if I can manufacture the time, I'll try to provide it.

You started off so negative, eg, "lies", naked emperor.
Isn't there a neutral way to broach your subject?

Btw, I'm just here to help (unlike the other guy).
I really would like to see these 2 opposing sides
converse in a civil & productive manner.

 

[Father Heathen]

The 2 of you have set up the thread to avoid any real discussion.

Then let's discuss how this is set up, chortle free.

 

[Revoltingest]

Then let's discuss how this is set up, chortle free.

Easy....avoid provocative/divisive language.
I know the OP has good intentions.
But threads are hard to control.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Incoming smug, snarky comments that dodge the question in 3, 2, 1...

"But Hillary..." "But Obama..." "But Bloomberg..."

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

 

[Twilight Hue]

This is a serious question, because I am truly interested, and often flabbergasted at the amount of support that the US President st

This is a serious question, because I am truly interested, and often flabbergasted at the amount of support that the US President still has.

So, here's my question, and I direct it only to Trump supporters: "Do you actually spend any time listening to what he says, with your brain engaged to hear the meaning of his words?"

Here's a great example -- though it's long. This is his COVID-19 presser today, April 4. There are so many lies, there are so many false accusations against others, that I find it difficult to believe that nobody actually stands up and say, "The emperor has no clothes." Here's the link:

So, Trump supporters. Do you actually, really, critically listen? Or do you just worship?

ill has.

So, here's my question, and I direct it only to Trump supporters: "Do you actually spend any time listening to what he says, with your brain engaged to hear the meaning of his words?"

Here's a great example -- though it's long. This is his COVID-19 presser today, April 4. There are so many lies, there are so many false accusations against others, that I find it difficult to believe that nobody actually stands up and say, "The emperor has no clothes." Here's the link:

So, Trump supporters. Do you actually, really, critically listen? Or do you just worship?

What's even the point? You could attribute the qualities of worship to us Trump supporters, only to be eclipsed by your immense hate and distain for the man no matter what he says as evidenced by the countless threads made on this forum already.

Serious question? Don't make me laugh.

But if you're looking for an answer I don't think Trump is doing any better or worse than anybody else would have in the same situation.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Incoming smug, snarky comments that dodge the question in 3, 2, 1...

Like the one you just stated now? Oh yea, that doesn't qualify as being smug or snarky itself. Never mind.

 

[leov]

This is a serious question, because I am truly interested, and often flabbergasted at the amount of support that the US President still has.

So, here's my question, and I direct it only to Trump supporters: "Do you actually spend any time listening to what he says, with your brain engaged to hear the meaning of his words?"

Here's a great example -- though it's long. This is his COVID-19 presser today, April 4. There are so many lies, there are so many false accusations against others, that I find it difficult to believe that nobody actually stands up and say, "The emperor has no clothes." Here's the link:

So, Trump supporters. Do you actually, really, critically listen? Or do you just worship?

did not vote for him, not a real supporter, do not hate him, do not trust him (nor any other POTUS) but i suspect that coronavirus is 'wag the dog' thing. so, wait and see.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

This is a serious question, because I am truly interested, and often flabbergasted at the amount of support that the US President still has.

So, here's my question, and I direct it only to Trump supporters: "Do you actually spend any time listening to what he says, with your brain engaged to hear the meaning of his words?"

Here's a great example -- though it's long. This is his COVID-19 presser today, April 4. There are so many lies, there are so many false accusations against others, that I find it difficult to believe that nobody actually stands up and say, "The emperor has no clothes." Here's the link:

So, Trump supporters. Do you actually, really, critically listen? Or do you just worship?

I usually don't talk with mother about politics, but she is a Trump supporter. She said that she agrees with republican decisions. Trump is just a "icon" but the decisions aren't fully made by him. She also mentioned the democrats were the forerunners of our bad history. I wish I can look up more but it will take a bit to shift through the junk.

I doubt Trump supporters are worshiping Trump. I just find people are disliking the guy more than his "party's" politics.

 

[Father Heathen]

You started off so negative, eg, "lies", naked emperor.
Isn't there a neutral way to broach your subject?

Btw, I'm just here to help (unlike the other guy).
I really would like to see these 2 opposing sides
converse in a civil & productive manner.

But it's an objective, verifiable fact that Trump has been dishonest about a great many things. How do you propose one be "neutral" in this regard?

 

[Revoltingest]

But it's an objective, verifiable fact that Trump has been dishonest about a great many things. How do you propose one be "neutral" in this regard?

Discuss the statement in question without judging it at the outset.

 

[Twilight Hue]

I usually don't talk with mother about politics, but she is a Trump supporter. She said that she agrees with republican decisions. Trump is just a "icon" but the decisions aren't fully made by him. She also mentioned the democrats were the forerunners of our bad history. I wish I can look up more but it will take a bit to shift through the junk.

I doubt Trump supporters are worshiping Trump. I just find people are disliking the guy more than his "party's" politics.

You hit the nail on the head just by saying the decisions are not fully made by him.

It would be incredibly refreshing if more people would realize that.

 

[The Hammer]

Discuss the statement in question without judging it at the outset.

How is calling a spade a spade (ie. A lie a lie), making/passing any judgment?

 

[Revoltingest]

How is calling a spade a spade (ie. A lie a lie), making/passing any judgment?

It's an opinion, & a hostile one at that.
If I know a poster is stupid, does that make it OK to tell'm so?

 

[The Hammer]

It's an opinion, & a hostile one at that.
If I know a poster is stupid, does that make it OK to tell'm so?

The OP's question is poorly worded, agreed. But your response was to Father Heathen asking how you be neutral towards someone who consistently lies. You said " discuss the statement without judging". How do you call a spade a spade without passing judgement? Seriously. If I say, so and so lied, here is the verifiable proof. How does that pass judgement?

 

[Revoltingest]

The OP's question is poorly worded, agreed. But your response was to Father Heathen asking how you be neutral towards someone who consistently lies. You said " discuss the statement without judging". How do you call a spade a spade without passing judgement? Seriously. If I say, so and so lied, here is the verifiable proof. How does that pass judgement?

Try this....
When asking a question, imagine talking to a
good friend, or better yet a spouse.
How to ask the question without p****g'm off.